Best way to travel 5 miles to a train station?

I don't see it as sad, it's just how it is.

I don't believe laws should be changed to persecute a driver, or that
speed limits should be any slower... If I'd been hit at a faster speed
and died so be it, the second I stepped off the pavement it was *my*
risk and my responsibility to manage that risk.

 

And if there is no pavement?

And if the person is below the age of legal responsibility?

And if the driver is travelling so fast that the person crossing/using the
road has no chance to see them before stepping off the pavement?

...d

 

Face the oncoming traffic, and get out of the way before it arrives.

Bit daft that, a 14 year old should still be capable of taking
responsibility for crossing the road for example, and if they're too
young then I'd ask why weren't they being supervised by an adult?

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.. when life gives you
incompetent pedestrians... Paté, I suppose.

 

So we have the might is right view of transport policy. So I have a perfect
*right* to walk along the road and you (as a driver) have a duty of care to
other road users. And you say it is my fault for getting in *your* way as
if your journey is somehow more important than mine?

Remind me to walk over your car instead of round it because you didn't get
it out of my way but left it littering the queens highway..

So an eight year old is not allowed in GingeWorld to walk to school on her
own? So at what age should a child be allowed to walk to school on their
own? (Hint: in other, more enlightened countries, children as young as 6 can
walk to school along roads with no pavements without adult supervision)

Incompetent to be able to see a car travelling so fast that you cannot see
them when you start to cross.

No ESP = incompetent in GingeWorld.

Welcome to GingeWorld. If you are in a car you can mow down as many people
as you want. If you are in a car the rest of the world is to blame. There is
no duty of care.

...d

 

Ever seen a single track road... Not entirely unsurprisingly, they tend
not to have pavements or easily accessible space alongside.

So that's all right then.

Pete.

 

No, I say (for clarity) "Take due care", step onto the grass verge when
a car passes rather than reducing the safe passing distance. If driving
a car down a narrow lane I'd do the same, observe for oncoming traffic
and if we needed to pass and the road was narrow I'd drive onto the
grass verge to make passing possible.

The important fact is *I'd take responsibility* for my own safe
positioning. in a car or on foot, and not assume the other car to be
safe.

That is clearly nonsense, so I'll disregard it, as a statement it only
undermines your argument being taken seriously.

Personally, no I don't think sending an 8 year old to school
unacompanied is a wise idea, I certainly wasn't allowed to walk to
school unacompanied at that age.

Ever heard of eyes and ears? The average human eye can see well over
half a mile, assuming a car was doing 60MPH, that's a mile a minute, or
30 seconds of visibility from half a mile away..

Are you seriously saying on a country lane you'd not be able to take
deciding action inside of 30 seconds?

I'm surprised you aren;t dead already if that's the case.

Welcome to the Internet, a place where it seems blame culture is allowed
to run riot over taking responsibility for one's own safety.

 

No, but on such roads it's always possible to hear vehicles approaching,
even bicycles if you listen carefully.

No, that's a flippant remark, intended to be fairly dismissive.

 

What grass verge? I can point you to dozens of roads where there are no
grass verges. Should I dive into the hedge or over the wall? Or maybe into
the ditch? For you convenience or my safety?

Colin

 

Obviously not all roads, but there are always exceptions, most of the
time roads will have a footpath alongside, or a grass verge.

If you're regularly walking along roads with neither, it would be more
convenient all round if you simply got a bus pass.

 

Wahaay, where's my HGV. Lets see what happens to all those incompetent
drivers and bikers who don't get out my way. Coming though! Let the
carnage begin.......

Tony ;-^)

 

"What's behind you doesn't matter"

;-)

 

You said that I should 'get out of the way before it arrives' as if I had no
right to actually use the road if a motor vehicle happened to want to take
the same space as me. Taking due care is not suddenly entering the path of
another person such as to cause an unforseeable correction in course. If I
see someone walking int he road ahead of my car I do not expect them to leap
out of the way. I use that middle pedal if necessary and pass when safe to
do so. I don't expect them to have to step off the road.

I was and many of the other posters here will have been. I see no reason why
drivers cannot anticipate youngsters walking along the road and take due
care. Do young children have no right to use the road?
I'd love this to be a country where eight year olds can use the roads in
reasonable safety unaccompanied.

Assuming half a mile of straight road..

Wow, you can see round corners, can you?

take a car doing 38mph with 100m visibility. That is six seconds reaction
time from seeing it. Now if you have looked, seen a clear road and started
to cross and are less athletic than the average so it may take ten seconds
or more to cross the street, you have a problem. Especially if you are hard
of hearing. Or are the deaf and arthritic not allowed on the streets?

At which point did I say anything like that? One should be able to go about
ones normal reasonable business without having to fear for ones life because
some prat in a car is intent on going as fast as they want.


...d

 

I reckon your impact was more like 30mph, but still, very very cool,
seeing as you effectively walked away from it.

 

David Martin says...

I saw a funny car sticker today on a right skanky, old beaten up Punto.

"So many pedestrians, so little time"

Made me laugh it did

 

Or roads that are not straight or contain hidden dips?

 

I find this interesting. Is there anything more concrete than 'rough idea'
or 'about'?
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'Out on the road today saw a dead head sticker on a cadillac, little
voice inside my head said don't look back, you must never look back'

 

Lady Nina says...

I like the irony in that song.

 

Shame that
It does, on the face of it, make a reasonable (IMHO) argument for 20mph
limits *in areas where this kind of pedestrian / vehicle interface may be
more likley*. Personally I can't think of too many where it would not be
much simpler to teach people to use crossings and / or build proper
pavements.

I do find it slightly amusing that this could perhaps be the best argument
in the arsenal of those that would seek to enforce tighter / zero tolerance
limits on those that seek to make their own judgements as to what speed is
safe. Rather than use it, however, they would (at least from those that I
have read in this thread, which is not all by any stretch) rather rage
against some imagined 'might is right' attitude, and wave their chip laden
shoulders in a huff.
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As in, has anyone done any experiments involving running people over at
various speeds using appropriate controls and a large sample size to
ensure reliability of data? Probably not, I think the various ethics
committees might have something to say on the matter.

Jon