Best way to travel 5 miles to a train station?

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:24:49 +0100, "AndrewR"

If the collision takes place because of the higher speed, /or/ the
collision causes a fatality which a lower speed collision would not
have caused, he has a case.

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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:24:49 +0100, "AndrewR"

And why not? There are collisions, catastrophic mechanical failures
and fatalities even on motorways.

And, as the example of German motorways demonstrates, the higher the
speeds, the higher the death rate.

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On 16 Aug 2004 21:34:46 GMT, Adrian <>
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So far we've only removed 2/3rds of the human traffic policing, not
all.

And we removed it to focus on protecting video recorders from
burglars, not because of cameras.

Luckily, cameras are there to cover for most of the old-style traffic
policing of the 'lets set up a speed trap' variety.


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No.

I'm saying it's more unethical to, by inaction, allow 10 people to be
killed than to work to lower the deaths to 5.


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That'd be good. The mass unpopularity of road law enforcement would
no longer stop it from happening.


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True. But it does mean that relatively recently, it was certified as
being fit for the road.

Not true.

While it's true that does not guarantee roadworthiness for the entire
life of the certificate.

And absence of an MoT cert is strong indicator that the driver/owner
doesn't think the vehicle will even meet the low standards of the MoT
test.

It does not offer a guarantee of roadworthiness for the entire year,
any more than not having a cert guarantees the vehicle is
unroadworthy.

But it does offer a relatively good /indication/ of such.

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It's a ceretificate relating to a examination.

You can't (legally) get the bit of paper without passing the exam.


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No - free road capacity increases car journeys made, to the point
where the spare road capacity gets overused (i.e. congestion).

Look at the example of the M25.

I lived just by the busiest stretch of motorway in the UK. (On the
west side of the M25).


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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:12:01 +0100, "Matt B"

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Killing someone through drunk/dangerous/careless driving is no longer
either violent or criminal?

By your logic, as there were 2,781,000 violent crimes, but only a
couple dozen gun deaths, the gun deaths are insignificant. (After
all, there are hundreds of times as many deaths from 'careless
motorists', and they're insignificant).




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Probably directly due to the withdrawal of police resources from
traffic duty.

There's nothing to stop us putting more plods on the road again, to
combat this trend.

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:20:48 +0100, "Matt B"

Driving dangerously, carelessly or drunkenly over someone is both
violent and a crime.

Driving deliberately over someoneone is also a crime, and does also
happen.

(Mind you, if you deliberately drive over a little girl and her daddy,
putting her in a coma, you'll get sentenced less heavily than if you
puncture tyres with a screwdriver.)



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Actually, no, they don't. The big change in braking over the decades
is from changes in tyre technology.

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They're all SUVs.

I've posted tables of modern cars' braking g forces a few times now,
on some or all of uk.rec.driving, uk.transport, and here.

They should be googlable.


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Not at all. The actual cars and their braking performances have been
posted several times now .


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You obviously missed the phrase 'all other things being equal'.

Easily done, as they were only 18% of the words you quoted.



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Hardly a strawman. Hospitals deal with injuries, serious illnesses,
and worn-out body parts.

Unless you feel that people injure themselves more where there are
hospitals, or fall seriously ill more where there are hospitals, or
have theri bodies wear out faster where there are hospitals, tehn
where does the extra demand come from?

(Or are you contending that folk with these conditions currently just
leave them untreated?)

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How do they guess who the owner is? where you live? if it's really you?
and all the other checks and intrusions that will be necessary if ANPR/ID
cards etc are to be introduced. Already you need V5 and photo id to
"officially" get a replacement number plate. In the future, if ANPR becomes
widespread, you'll be re-registering quite frequently as a law abiding
citizen to combat cloning.

They wouldn't be "engrained" if the education was started at a young age.

Why "all other things being equal"?

If you need the stick it is too late.

Not until we are 17, at least, which is way too old. To "ingrain" the ethos
you need to start as early as possible.

It's the "glamourisation" that is the catalyst. Do you remember some years
ago, when CB radios were illegal, they were essential for the street
credible "prove how big our willy is" brigade. Each town had a CB shop.
Within months of them being legalised most shops had closed-down and CB's
had all but disappeared from your average boy-racermobile.

You'd rather punish them later?

A very irresponsible attitude, I would respectfully suggest. It's like not
telling them about contraception until they get pregnant "that'll teach
'em".

Matt
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Or rather, to work further from where they live.

And to shop further from where they live.

And to travel more often to other places far from where they live.

And to drive more often to the nearby places where folk used to walk,
bus, or cycle to.

And to chauffeur their kids to where the kids used walk, bus or cycle.

And more of them buy cars. (The car population is currently
increasing by ~1% a year).

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Gawnsoft () gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying :

In ultimate grip, yes.

You've never been on the receiving end of brake fade, though, have you?

 

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You're comparing the /actual/ price for CTRL with a /forecast/ price
for the Munich maglev.

I'm sure the forecast price for CTRL was lower than the final bill.
I'm sure any proposed Munich maglev would cost more than the 'sales
pitch' price.

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