Best way to travel 5 miles to a train station?

That is why you should put the RFID in the tax disk. Then every car legally
on the road will have RFID within one year.

These cannot be easily cloned, can easily be replaced/updated and so on.
They will work in all weathers and do not require any novel equipment.

...d

 

Interesting. I drove down from Lancaster to Walsall the other day, on
a Sunday afternoon, and for virtually the whole journey, the only
place where it was possible to drive at 70mph with any space between
you and the cars in front and behind was the left hand lane, so I
drove in it. I dread to think how my fellow travellers would have
coped if the pressure had been for them to drive at 100mph, with the
motorway that crowded.

Most motorway journeys I've made in England have been that crowded
over the past year or so as well, so it's not a one off thing.

A

 

What about: number plates MUST be kept clean and clear.

Matt
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In most cases, no it isn't. And risk of mistaken identity is not taken as
an indication that other forms of law enforcement surveillance should be
stopped (e.g. CCTV).

So you think we should not even try, on the grounds that we think the crims
will probably do more to subvert the system than they do at present. Sorry,
not buying.

Take the issue of leaving the scene. Very few drivers will have decided in
advance that tonight is the night to crash, and very few drivers will
routinely drive on false plates "just in case".

No, protecting lawbreakers on the grounds that their lawbreaking is not
/really. serious, what with only a few tens of thousands killed and
seriously injured every year and all.

Not read much science fiction, have you? The effort of monitoring rapidly
becomes too much to support, so you end up trashing the data unusued after a
short retention period. During the retention period, of there has been an
incident, you have some potentially valuable data.

Except, in most cases, it hasn't, because most drivers don't decide in
advance that this is the night to kill someone.

Count the number of murder victims. Count the number of people dead on the
roads.

You assume that realistic punishments and risk of detection have no
deterrent effect. The thing which made the biggest difference in reducing
drink-driving was the advent of evidential breath testing. Mandatory
disqualification helped, too.

Within a decade most cars would be chipped. You consistently assume that
the only people committing offences are the minorities who evade detection.

Guy
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University

 

Imagine the danger of the distracted plod trying to read your obscured
numberplate...

Guy
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University

 

Unless your in Scotland where 10%+3 still exists, so a Soctish TO tells
me, most of the UK now has ZERO tolerance speed enforcement, with
persecutions for 31 in a 30 now quite common place. The whole things
gotten out of hand with limit changes in some areas where the KSI
figures don't indicate any problem, but its a good place to hide a
scamera van to raise revenue....Don't worry though, with SPECS/ANPR
covering the whole country soon their won't be anywhere where speeding
will go undetected....

 

Jon Senior (jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

How about people being extremely careful not to injure themselves because
their local hospital is a revolting place that nobody's ever come out of
alive?

How about the people who live in the villages and towns that the traffic
has moved away from?

Surely that's a good thing, because it removes an artificial restraint on
free travel and trade?

 

Just zis Guy, you know? () gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

You're following the same flawed line of thinking that speed cameras follow
- that people are fundamentally honest. Many are, and they're the ones that
get caught. Those who are fundamentally dishonest get away scot-free,
laughing at the system.

You want to bet? The number has rocketed over the last few years.

And you seem to want to exclude that minority from any come-back, when
that's the minority that ought to be receiving a disproportionate amount of
attention.

 

Don't delete the attributions if you want people to know

Patronising is not a good position to argue from.

Which bit of "live near" relates to "Long Way Away"?

 

David Martin () gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

And why the number of illegal cars and misleadingly foreign registered cars
will rocket.

That's before we go anywhere near the privacy implications.

What's the range of the average RFID reader?

 

It should be, shouldn't it?

Better to look for a more fool-proof method rather than jump on the first
hair-brained idea for catching a few errant motorists.

What about "leaving the scene" of violent _crimes_. Concentrating on those
would surely be more productive in ensuring a safer society.

Are you suggesting that a significant proportion are deliberate?

So you _do_ envisage continuously monitoring everywhere. But only for
motorists?

Compare the number of hit-and-runs with the number off "planned" crimes. Do
you honestly think that the former are more significant than the latter?

Yes? How many road victims have been killed _deliberately_ do you think?
Or, even, how many are killed init-and-runs?

No I don't. I think prevention is a better policy than detection.

i.e. preventing, _not_ detecting

i.e. _not_ all.

No, I consistently believe that you shouldn't tar everyone with the same
brush. Concentrate the effort into catching criminals _not_ logging the
location of number plates, which we know, is hopelessly unreliable.

Matt
--

 

And can be easily stopped and checked. Clamped for an inconsistent/illegal
Tax disk? Failing to display a valid RFID will result in vehicle
immobilisation?

With a foreign registration you just apply (with appropriate supporting
documentation) to get a 'VED-exempt' disk that is registered to your
vehicle. Similar methods to this work for tolls in other European countries
(ie Austria) so shouldn't be much of a problem.

What is different to the privacy implications of ANPR? It doesn't tell you
who is in the car, just where the car is.

Sufficient to identify accurately a car travelling at 100km/h through a toll
booth. The technology is there and works.

...d

 

Incorrect. The demand for medical care is essentially infinite.

Well, the ones I know near the A1 are desperate for bypasses.

Oh, dear. The motorists using the facilities they paid for. How dare
they?

 

Unless your in Scotland where 10%+3 still exists, so a Soctish TO

Really? I have a friend who is a magistrate in Oxfordshire, and he has
never seen a motorist prosecuted for less than 36mph.

It got out of hand a long time ago:

"The trouble with the facts about the law-breaking of the motorists and the
motor interests is that there are too many: it is difficult even to grasp
them. In fact, the position has long since passed far beyond the limits of
ordinary law-breaking and become an exhibition of national degeneracy." - JS
Dean, 1947

And then we can all stop worrying about it. Excellent news.

Guy
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You're wasting your time. According to Adrian the only people who commit
offences are the untested, unlicensed and uninsured who are prepared to go
to any lengths to avoid detection.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington
University

 

Most are. Exceptions like the Hamiltons who conveniently can't remember who
was driving, or the two lads each of whom blamed the other for the death
they caused while racing, are noticeable enough to be widely discussed.

So the "honest" should not break the law. That would save a lot of police
time to deal with the dishonest...

And the proportion of all vehicles on the road is...?

Where did I say that? You appear to be engaging in logical fallacies; just
because I would like to see zero tolerance does not mean I want zero
tolerance except for the hard-core of serial offenders. Quite the opposite.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington
University

 

Just zis Guy, you know? () gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

Hertfordshire now officially has *no* county-wide parking enforcement.

Not at all what I'm saying.

 

David Martin () gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Exactly. Everybody's forgetting one little detail about ANPR, though, which
prevents it being a huge potential invasion of privacy. Each ANPR van on
"duty" is accompanied by 6-8 police traffic cars/bikes to catch the
offenders flagged up. That's not exactly cheap to spread widely. Spread it
wide without those catchers, and you've just got the privacy invasion
without actually doing anything about those flagged.

Woo-hoo, a photo of a car with false plates.

Really? Are you sure about that? So what do you do when you've identified
this car doing 60+mph?

 

Just zis Guy, you know? () gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

He won't have seen the majority of Gatso prosections, though.

It'll be detected. But nothing can be done about it, without massively
increasing the number of traffic police. Which isn't going to happen.
Besides, if we do that, we don't need the expensive intrusive technology.

 

Just zis Guy, you know? () gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

A celeb and a fatal. How many gatso speeding photos?

Growing. Rapidly.