Best way to travel 5 miles to a train station?

And on any hot ready-to-eat food, e.g restaurants, fish and chip
shops, etc.

It's why gargageds sell cold burgers and offer you the use of a
microwave free, instead of offereing ready-microwaved burgers.






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Well, the MG Maestro had more torque than its contemporary, the Escort
RS Turbo, and was a second faster to 60mph than its other contemporary
the classic Mk2 Golf GTi.

They were fast, great fun to drive, and really cheap to run, repair
and insure.

And, back in the mid-80s I typically got 45mpg from them going from
Edinburgh to London.


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Orange _juice_ (ready to drink)nis definitely taxed. I really can't
remember about squash, sorry.

 

Given that it was the 1.6 EFi that he had I very much doubt any of these
statements are true.

His was a crock of shit. It couldn't reverse of his driveway, things
continually went wrong with it and the talking dashboard was very, very
annoying.

He spent more time driving the Montego courtesy car that the local dealers
kept giving him than he did driving the Maestro.

Bits where the AA are towing you don't count towards MPG figures, you know?


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The speccy Geordie twat.

 

You can only just about get a decent wheel for 150 quid.

 

AIUI freshly squeezed Orange juice attracts VAT (ISTR the announcement
being made when it was introduced) but not Orange juice made from
concentrate.

ISTR it was HM Customs of their own volition who made the change,
presumably on somebody's arbitrary value judgement that freshly
squeezed orange juice was (Like fully coated chocolate biscuits) a
figment of unimaginable luxury.

Thus giving the lie to custom's oft repeated line that they merely
administrate the collection of VAT and do not set taxes, only elected
governments do that.

(I have tried to check these memories of mine on the web but have been
unable to do so)

DG

 

Only if it's hot as a matter of policy (that is, the food would only be
sold hot, or you make other efforts to make it or keep it hot), rather
than as a result of the manufacturing process. If you keep pasties hot
before you sell them, they're standard rated. If you sell them hot
because you didn't give them time to cool down after cooking them,
they're zero rated. (All IIRC, from my time with HMC&E. If anyone takes
this as VAT advice, they deserve everthing they get )

 

AndrewR says...

Mine was hand painted hammerite black by 2 young girls I knew. I
stopped, threw them paint brushes, opened a couple of tins of paint and
told them to start painting. When they were done I drove them home
without waiting for the paint to dry. I have pictures of it in the
Donington campsite with a barbeque burning away on the bonnet, while my
ex-wife and I sat on the roof prodding the burgers. I had to fit a
sunroof to stop the roof from falling in on my head as I drove.

This car had to be seen to be believed.

 

Just zis Guy, you know? () gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

I didn't say you did. But "mobile death greenhouse" is one of your pet
phrases. Scum are scum whatever mode of transport they use.

Erm, could it have something to do with higher mass and higher speeds?

Could it also have something to do with the UK having completely ludicrous
priorities for road policing and woefully inadequate driving test
standards?

I won't mention the fact that we actually have one of the lowest road death
rates of any country, despite having one of the most crowded road
networks... Ooops. I did.

 

Done to protect the British orange growers ;-)

Tony

 

The quotes around "scum in mobile death greenhouses" implies that you
were asserting precisely that. Do I use the phrase "mobile death
greenhouse?" Yes I do. Including in the context "my mobile death
greenhouse". And yes, scum using whatever means of transport are a
problem, that is precisely the point. Equally obviously, when the
scum use motor transport they have substantially elevated potential
for killing and maiming.

Give the man a coconut. Breaking the rules in a car is more serious
than breaking the rules on a bike, because the potential for harm is
much greater. This is reflected in the fact that motoring law is more
rigorously enforced (though not much, these days) and cars are
burdened with certain regulatory restrictions such as compulsory
insurance and roadworthiness testing.

No argument there. Traffic policing is not currently a core duty of
police forces. That is the reason why there are fewer traffic cops
even though police numbers overall are at an all time high. When you
consider that bad drivers kill and seriously injure more poeple every
year than all the robbers and muggers put together, I would suggest
that this is one thing which should change and change soon.

The only problem is, the Daily Mail won't allow it.

Smeed's Law.

I find it interesting, though, that certain characters advocate
removing motorway speed limits by reference to the safety of
Autobahns, which not only have speed limits for much of their length,
but are also twice as dangerous as our motorways despite widespread
claims of significantly better discipline and skill in German
drivers...

We also have one of the worst child road safety records in Europe.
Many European countries address child road safety by placing
additional responsibilities on adults, either explicitly or implicitly
through social attitudes. We seem to be in a minority in placing the
responsibility primarily on children, and seeking to tackle the
problem not by recognising that they behave like children and
modifying adult behaviour accordingly, but by requiring children to
display adult judgement and restricting their mobility when they
can't. But that is another, much longer, discussion ;-)

Guy

 

Figures?

 

Just zis Guy, you know? () gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

The trouble is that this is often extended to the perception that
cyclists ignoring the rules of the road is insignificant - which it
isn't.

A motorist driving through red lights and a group of pedestrians crossing
the road would result in a semi-public lynching - and quite rightly.

A cyclist doing it is much more accepted, yet still carries a fair risk
of injury. I've had several narrow misses from cyclists when I've been
crossing London streets on foot, on a green ped light. Saying something
to them usually results in abuse, even on one occasion the cyclist
following me across the ped crossing and down the pavement - still riding
his bike - and threatening assault.

I've had narrow misses in the car when crossing junctions with cyclists
appearing from blind side exits at speed.

And yet you perpetuate the totally incorrect prioritisation, by
commenting on speeding as a serious crime.

Speed does not kill, per se. Driving like a fuckwit kills. Inappropriate
speed can be just one symptom of that. Unfortunately, we've almost
totally removed the policing capable of detecting and prosecuting people
who drive like fuckwits.

The autobahn's primary problem is that it's mainly two lane. FWIW, I
think that removing the limit from motorways completely would be daft,
but I do strongly support a substantial raise - perhaps 85.

No, we place the responsibility on drivers now.

When I was a kid, there were umpteen public information films along the
lines of "run out in the road, and you'll get killed, you stupid brat".
Now it seems that running out in the road without looking has sanction.
Just yesterday I saw a sign at the side of a road "Driver in a hurry,
child in a coma".

Different versions would be equally valid :-
"Driver on autopilot, but "safe" because under speed limit, child in a
coma"
"Parents watching EastEnders, child in a coma"
"Parents too stupid to teach child to look, child in a coma"

Indeed...

 

taywood () gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

I didn't fight in two world wars just so you could park outside my house,
y'know...

 

One could equally argue I presume that cycling through a red light does
not create a risk per se.

Tony

 

http://www.eirbyte.com/gcc/info/seatbelts.html
http://www.ucolick.org/~de/AltTrans/SeatbeltLaws.html

Or better still, read Risk by John Adams

Guy

 

Not by me it isn't, believe me. I rarely use the pavement even when
it's legal, and I have had cars drive round me and through red lights
at which I've been patiently waiting.

It wouldn't. It doesn't. And yes, it does happen, especially in
London.

Note word miss

And if a cyclist shouts or rebukes a driver who does something
clueless, the driver tends to retaliate in the same way (cf. Carl
Baxter). Human nature. Nobody likes to be called on their errors.

So, like Michael Howard, you want zero tolerance of everything except
speeding, do you? Illogical, Captain.

Where offences can be detected by automated means, let's use automated
means. Since the cameras are, these days, attended mainly by civlian
staff, I see no evidence that they represent a drain on police
resources - quite the opposite. Cameras reduce the need for Real
Plod[tm] to police speeding (and indeed bus lanes and red lights),
leaving the ever-reducing numbers free to police offences whose
detection requires judgement.

Obeying traffic regulations means obeying all traffic regulations, not
just the ones which are personally convenient. Especially those which
were introduced as a counter to drivers' tendency to overestimate
their own skill and their consistent failure to set safe speeds when
not constrained.

Actually speed does kill - it's the biggest single factor determining
the severity of outcome of a crash (the probability of fatality in a
crash rises with the fourth power of speed), as well as a major
causative factor in the crash in the first place.

You know my views. Evidence is that excessive speed results in one
third of road crashes, and is a necessary causative factor in another
third. Speeding and excessive speed are not one and the same, but
neither are they separate, as the anti enforcement campaigners like to
pretend. Drivers with multiple speeding convictions are more likely
to crash, mileage adjusted, suggested that the sets of people who
speed and people who drive like fuckwits have a significant overlap.

The idea that speeding is somehow not dangerous is a pervasive myth
put forward partly by those with a libertarian agenda, still fighting
the battle started when the AA was founded early last century to
oppose and undermine speed limits. I had a long conversation with a
journalist recently who set out to analyse the debate over speed
cameras. He said to me that after a few days it had become apparent
to him that it was not a debate, but a consensus, that cameras are
effective, with a small group (ABD and sm*th, mainly) mischievously
pushing a contrary view using statistical humbug.

The idea that you can either enforce speed limits or tackle bad
driving is, in any case, a false dichotomy. And anyway, what possible
problem would a law-abiding driver have with a speed camera?

Seen the TfL campaigns recently?

Never seen one of those, most of the ones I see are focused on asking
children to apply adult levels of judgement and responsibility around
roads.

Why do you have such a problem with obeying the law, when you are so
condemning of cyclists who break other laws?

See, there you go. Blame the child for behaving like a child.

Guy

 

And thats true. Riding through a red light with no awareness for the
pedestrians/cars/bikes travelling through on green (as many cyclists do) is
a risk.

 

Out of interest, would you have a problem with a CCTV camera in your
bedroom. After all if you dont break the law, then what possible problem
would you have?

Trouble is, speed cameras seem to lead to a reduction in traffic police. A
stolen car is more likely to be driven recklessly, and the driver doesnt
care about cameras as he's untraceable.

If a child is incapable of apply adult judgement (i.e. under 8, which is
when I took my cycle proficency. Green cross code was way before that) then
the child shouldn't be able to get into the situation where they run out.

He's blaming the parents in both cases. Perhaps I'm just getting cynical,
but parents nowadays dont seem to care.

 

So what you are saying is that we don't need any traffic laws because
intrinsically speeding, red light running, parking etc. etc. is not
intrinsically unsafe and we should rely on people using good judgement
instead and prosecute only the ones that don't use good judgement?

Tony