Best way to travel 5 miles to a train station?

Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Adrian said:

All bicycles use British roads for free.
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In the same way that all [British] hospital patients use British
hospitals for free.

I think the point people are making is that there's no link between
VED and road use.
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The other point is that, when people say that cyclists don't pay VED,
they are often falt-out wrong. They may not have paid VED /for their
bicycle/, but that's an entirely different thing.

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

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I also wonder why vehicle tax isn't transferable? If I owned two cars (a
smart car for commuting, and an estate for holidays), and kept them in my
garage, I could only ever use one at a time, but I have to pay twice?
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Because you wish to licence two vehicles, you need to pay for two
vehicles.

Unless you feel the current licence is priced on the assumption that
the vehicle will be in constant use?

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

I believe that taxes should be hypothecated. Cigarette tax -> treating
lung cancer, and any propagander the government puts out. Alcohol tax ->
policing at kick-out time and liver disease.

Income tax should be scrapped, or at least reformed. The rich can easilly
avoid it. VAT should be increased, however there should be more exemptions
- it should be on luxury items only.
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Not food,
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Like it's not at the moment?

(Mind you restaurant and carry out food is VATable atm - but that's
already covered under your 'luxuries' exemption)

not cheap clothes,
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Like it's not for any children's clothing at the moment?

not
transport (bikes, train tickets, cars, fuel). All transport related tax
(fuel, VED) goes to funding all roads (including local council roads), and
public transport.
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I'd tend to agree - except I'd class cars as luxuries.

Any cost of accidents due to vehicle collision should be paid out of insurance. etc. etc.
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Like it is at the moment?

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Cut spending too. No more "social security". Cant afford a 2 bed flat in
the middle of london housing? Join the club. If you cant (or refuse to)
work hard/smart/long enough, you shouldn't get free housing in the 6th
most expensive city, you should be forcibly relocated somewhere cheap.

The added investment in transport infrastructure means more jobs for the
construction and maintenence industry, more trains and therefore mroe
drivers, etc.

Trim a lot of the other big costs (the NHS sucks £1000 a year per person
for this country. BUPA isn't much more). Dont get me started on the
military either.
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Healthcare in this country sucks a lot less money than healthcare does
in almost any other developed country. And it covers everyone. In
the US, there are 40-odd million people with no health cover, and it
still works out at more than twice as expensive per person...

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Even more slowly, the roads (at least in Cambridge where I live) are
paid for not by the VED or any other form of taxation on the motorist,
but by the City Council out of the money I as a resident pay in
Council Tax.
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Actually, only about 20% of council spending is paid for out of
Council Tax. The rest comes from general taxation (income tax, VAT,
etc)

So I could have a thousand cars and not a penny of that
would go on my city road improvements, where the vast majority of my
cycling takes place. However I DO pay the full whack for my property
and therefore feel completely in my rights (along with the legal
rights as put down in the Highway Code) of riding my bike legally
along any of the highways avaiable to me.

So, if you want me to put it any more slowly, just let me know.

G - owns cars and bikes. All legal and legit.
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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Velvet () gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

No, it's not. Nobody pays VED on a bicycle, so bicycles contribute nothing
to the exchequer.

Whether you ALSO pay VED for a car is irrelevant, since VED is vehicle
based not personal.
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It's not irrelevant to the statement 'cyclists don't pay VED' - which
was what was said originally.

It is irrelevant to the statement 'cyclists don't pay VED for their
cycles'- which is what you then moved the goalposts to.

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Ambrose Nankivell () gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Not always.
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True. The point was only made that 'they contribute VAT, like most
things'.

No-one ever claimed they contribute it like most things /and/ also
contribute it in lots of new ways that other things do not.

I own two bicycles.

One was bought used off a mate, so contributed nothing in VAT.

The other was bought *very* used at a scout bike auction, so contributed
nothing in VAT.

(URC - Anybody want a 50s ladies Hercules? I felt sorry for it, but it's
too big for SWMBO. It needs a bloody good clean up, two tyres and a gear
cable. Free to a good home, just off NW M25)
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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Ever heard of the poll tax riots. As cars are essential for many people,
they will run them without VED.

As the road maintenence budget is arroudn 5bn a year, £8M a year means 500
lorries on the road.
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Of course, there's a large backlog of road maintenance required but
not carried out due to budget restrictions.

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

David Martin wrote

Who gives a toss about damage to the roads? That is to do with kin huge
French lorries. A different subject altogether.
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44 tonne French lorries are huger than 44 tonne British lorries? How
did this come about?

You want the infrastructure changed to separate 2 wheeled transport from
4 or more? That will cost money. Rebuilding junctions and traffic
signalling systems to take into account new traffic patterns will cost
money. Compulsory safety training, licensing, enforcement, all of that
shite costs money.

Why should the powered travelling community be expected to pay out for
benefits that don't include them?
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Lowered motor vehicle congestion doesn't benefit motor vehicle users?

Especially when you lot boast about
how much more you earn. It doesn't do your argument any good you know.

I don't carry pillions, the bitch can get her own ride.
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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

chris harrison wrote

Of course I knew that but you are not *required* by law to provide proof
of your competence or the suitability/safety of you machine or carry
insurance or a whole host of other things that everybody else travelling
between the kerbs is obliged to do.

You want a voice? You want representation? You want to be taken notice
of? Then, like the rest of us, start paying for it.
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When did the vote get taken away from non-tax payers?

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

chris harrison wrote

I don't have to if I don't want to.
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Ah - you /want/ to argue from a position of wilful ignorance. It's
not just that you happen to be arguing while ignorant.

This explains a lot.

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

Oops! Wrong again. We are covered by a set of Construction and Use regs
and the Road Traffic Acts, so we are indeed required to demonstrate that a
bike is roadworthy. As to insurance, the rsk is so low that most major
cycling organisations can afford to include it in the price of membership,
and as previously pointed out pedestrians have no requirement to insure
either. The main reason motor drivers are required to carry insurance is
because of the damage they cause to other people's precious motors.
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And the high cost associated with killing or permanently injuring the
folk they drive into.

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Gawnsoft · Aug 13, 2004

To be realistic isn't everyone that works in London a bit of a weirdo in
one way or another?
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True - but I used to enjoy working in the City, back when I had a 5
minute walk to work.

I hated it when it was an 80 minute mixed-mode commute.

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James Annan · Aug 13, 2004

Gunga Dan wrote:

This is the nub of it. What are the pedestrians doing in the way of car
drivers? I'm not talking about occasions where car drivers lose control and
wipe out a bus queue, I mean in cirumstances where the car is making
progress perfectly legally along the highway.
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Quite likely, making progress perfectly legally along or across the highway.

James

James Annan · Aug 13, 2004

Paul Weaver wrote:

Bet those 50 are the result of a driver who has lost control and has
driven onto the pavement
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And that makes all the difference, because...um...

James

Tim Woodall · Aug 13, 2004

There's VAT on food?
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There is on chocolate.
Tim.

Paul - xxx · Aug 13, 2004

David Martin vaguely muttered something like ...

The
uphill method is to turn off the engine. Put it in first and start it on
the starter motor to get it moving. Neither of these are particularly
good for the car but needs must.
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That's also a standard recovery technique if stalled on a steep hill whilst
off-roading ..

Everything off, into a gear, forward or reverse, whichever is pointing
downhill, let go of brakes and everything else so the vehicle is held in
gear, and turn starter motor ... very safe technique for hill recovery ..
Just takes a little balls to get used to it first time you have to try it ..

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James Annan · Aug 13, 2004

DR wrote:

I still have difficulty understanding how a push bike can be worth that
much. Aren't they kids' toys?
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Without a petrol addiction, what else are we supposed to spend our
higher-than-average salaries on? There's a limit to the amount of beer
and food we can stuff down, although of course cycling helps with that too.

James

Tony W · Aug 13, 2004

James Annan said:

DR wrote:

Without a petrol addiction, what else are we supposed to spend our
higher-than-average salaries on? There's a limit to the amount of beer
and food we can stuff down, although of course cycling helps with that
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too.

More bikes. Better bikes. Bigger garages to keep said bikes in.

:~)

The Older Gentleman · Aug 13, 2004

Tony Raven said:

Nurse, would you give the Older Gentleman his alzheimer's pills and
point him to the bit earlier in the thread where we covered this.
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Ah. Well, I've just got back from my hols and have better things to do
than wade through 1000 postings from pedal-pushers.

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