Bent Pennykid

So expect some cheap track bikes to be coming out of NSW. I'll have to keep my
eyes open for a cheap 650 V-Strom. I've got a frame sitting in the shed.

Fraser

 

That's not how it is supposed to work, Fraser. The intent of the NSW
legislation is to prevent anyone selling a repairable write-off. So you
won't be able to buy the frame with the VIN on it, nor the whole engine
with the engine number on it. The fact that you don't intend to road
register it doesn't matter.

 

Surely I can buy a whole wrecked bike from the auctions then transfer
everything across to my frame. Making a complete new bike in the eyes of the
law. And bike prices in NSW will become 3/5ths of **** all.

Fraser

 

From the link that Zebee posted: " ... The move comes as the Government
toughens its stance of car rebirthing, and means vehicles that have been
written-off by an insurer can no longer be sold at auction. "

You cannot buy the wreck at auction because they are not allowed to sell
it at auction. The new legislation requires a written-off vehicle to be
crushed. Even if it has a great many salvageable bits.

 

Ok that changes things. What a fucking criminal waste. Insurance premiums are
going to go through the roof. And of course all states are going to have to
wear it.

Fraser

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:26:57 +1100

Not quite.

THey are not banning selling of write offs, but of repairable ones.
That is you can only sell it for bits. Everything is a statutory
write off now.

See
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/written_off_vehicles/written-off_vehicles_reforms.html

"Vehicles assessed as a total loss after the legislation is
introduced, will be classified as statutory (non-repairable)
write-offs. This means they cannot be registered and can only be used
for parts or scrap metal."

vehicle has to be under 15yo to be affected, and it is possible to get an exemption
if it stays in the same owner's hands.

Also if it is "enthusiast" or "collector".. So those of us with
elderly (and not so elderly) overweight underbraked overpriced
underpowered eurotrash should be OK...

Zebee
- who figures the Norge has to count as "enthusiast" given how few of
them there are about!

 

Wait ... wait ... wait. Your interpretation is that I'm not allowed to
sell Fraser my near-new repairable Honda write off, but if I pull off
and discard the plastic, and pull out the motor, I can sell him the
motor (with its engine number) and the frame (with its VIN) separately,
and that's OK? In what way will that stop rebirthing?

 

No , the engine number will be on the register au wide if they do as is said

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:01:15 +1100

I doubt you can sell the frame.

Zebee

 

I depends on the assessor though, too.

I dropped my Blackbird when it was only 2 weeks old. Cosmetic damage
only. The assessor was calling it a write-off. Stupid. I was fully
insured so could have got a brand new bike for replacement. As I still
had my VFR for transport I chose to get the assessor to show me what
was being quoted. It was idiotic. There was a scruff mark on the
swingarm (which I later removed with a 2 minute scrub with steel wool)
for which he was going to quote to replace the whole thing. This was
1997 and the bike was worth $15000 and his damage estimate was $8000.

I walked around the bike with him. No structural damage to the frame.
Bike had gone down at around 60 km/h in long soft grass. RHS fairing
damage, brake lever (of course). Anyway, managed to get it down to
$3000. It was never going to be a pristine show bike and I didn't see
the point of adding more cost to everyone else's premiums and was
happy to wait the 3 weeks it took to get the parts in.

The more they write off stuff, the more it costs us.

 

I'm confused too. If you can't sell the frame, and presumably the engine,
what is left to sell? Certainly not the brake levers or the fairing bits.

So you could sell a wheel, a headlight, indicators. Pistons?

Theo

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:31:28 +0800

my guess is you can sell the engine, but not the frame.


after all, it's all about cars.... so you can't sell the body just
the engine and bodywork and such.

Zebee

 

So what stops you cutting out the section containing the VIN and welding in
another?

Theo

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:10:55 +0800

No idea. It's legislation, you expect it to make sense?

On the other hand... if you can't sell the frame, where are you
getting this "another" from?

Zebee

 

A very significant percentage of vehicles are not insured and, if crashed,
will never make it to the 'written-off' list. The owners of these vehicles
have an incentive to get them repaired as cheaply as possible. If this can
be done by transferring the VIN to a similar vehicle with less damage, some
people will take that option.

Theo

 

Posterior...
Tee hee---sounds like "bum"...

Pat

 

Posterior...
Tee hee---sounds like "bum"...
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There are some CRACKS too Pat!

 

Coz if they write it off, it costs the insurance company to replace a
new bike. That then gets factored into their costs, which we
eventually have to pay for with increased premiums. The insurance
companies are there to make a dollar for their investors, not some
altruistic concern about bikers' health and goodwill.

 

Adolf Hitler

There, fixed!

Al

 

Hey, no fair. It was Gerry who's trying to change the subject. OK, back to
what the header was about, but we were way beyond that.

Anyhoo, Gerry claims to be a recluse, an outcast, an individual even, but
still wants to be a pedant.

Theo