Bending handlebars

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Ken Long, Apr 6, 2006.

  1. Ken Long

    Ken Long Guest

    Has anyone ever tried to deliberately bend handlebars for a better fit
    in the hands? I have a bike that causes me wrist and elbow pain because
    my wrist is bent at an awkward angle when I ride. I've tried moving the
    bars forward and backward but that doesn't change the wrist angle
    enough. I figure if I can just bend the bars so the handgrip section is
    angled out from the bike a few more degrees, I can get the position I
    need.

    Are bars tempered steel or something or are can I heat them up a bit and
    apply some brute force (after removing all the controls and grips of
    course.)

    Tia,
    Ken in Albuquerque
     
    Ken Long, Apr 6, 2006
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  2. Ken Long

    FB Guest

    Do you want to try an experiment? The worst that could happen is you
    may have to buy a new handlebar...

    You could look around for a "smitty" that an electrician would use to
    bend electrical conduit.

    Motorcycle handlebars are either 7/8th's or 1 inch in diameter. The
    "smitty" has a mandrel to keep the tubing from collapsing as you bend
    it.

    If the handlebars are chrome plated, the chrome might peel off at the
    bend.

    Handlebars do come in different widths, center widths, rise, and
    pullback, as well as
    having the name of a specific style, like "western", "low euro", etc.

    If you can find an online catalog that gives the dimensions of various
    models of handlebar you can get a better idea what you really need by
    sitting on the motorcycle and placing your hands where you think they
    should go and figuring out what the pullback and width and angle of the
    ideal bar for you would be.
     
    FB, Apr 6, 2006
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  3. Ken Long

    Paul Cassel Guest

    We used to do this with bars which were much thinner walled than current
    ones. I think it'd depend on the amount of bend you want. Too much and
    you'd weaken the bars. Ditto if you use heat.

    There are hundreds of after market bars out there. I doubt you will save
    much after taking your bars to a place which MAY be able to bend them.
    Why not look around for a set of already bent bars to your liking first?

    -paul in albuquerque
     
    Paul Cassel, Apr 6, 2006
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  4. Ken Long

    Ken Long Guest

    FB suggested the same thing. Problem is I don't know what I need to buy.
    I can sit on the bike and see exactly where my current bars need to be
    to straighten out my wrist but I can't seem to figure out the actual
    dimensions and angles to accomplish the same thing in an aftermarket
    bar.

    F.Y.I., the bar I want to bend is on an '83 Honda GL650. I think it's
    the original stock bar.

    Thanks,
    Ken
     
    Ken Long, Apr 6, 2006
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  5. I don't think I'd try bending the bars. I'd be worried about
    either screwing them up or having one of the bent spots
    break or bend again if I dropped the bike.

    Locally there are some good aftermarket shops. If I were
    having this problem, I'd probably ride the bike over to one
    or more shops, see if I could get some suggestions and
    buy if their suggestions made sense.

    Besides new bars, you could also play around with barbacks
    or risers and rotating the controls on the bars to get your wrists
    straight. Are you short, tall, medium or what ? Are your wrists
    bent too far up or down, or are they rotated at an uncomfortable
    angle ?
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 6, 2006
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    pete Guest

    I've tried this, but I wound up not using them because I found it's hard to
    get them symetrical, ymmv.

    A trick is to fill them completely with sand and cork the ends to keep them
    from kinking, and heat evenly around with steady pressure and bend slowly.
    It only works for a bend, if you try twisting them this doesn't work. The
    plan was to paint them black after.

    If they are steel, weakening them is probably not a problem, they're
    probably just mild steel. Aluminum is different, it gets soft before
    changing color and some alloys will reharden themselves after a while
    (precipitaion hardening I think they call it) and some won't. I don't know
    what they make Al bars out of.

    To hold the bars in a vice, I drilled 7/8" holes in a couple af Al blocks
    and then cut them thru the middle, worked pretty well.

    I gave up, decided it was easier just to buy different bars. You can get
    steel "superbike" and such bars for a reasonable price, they want way too
    much for the Al ones I figure.

    P.
     
    pete, Apr 6, 2006
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  7. Ken Long

    David Kelly Guest

    There are thousands of choices for dirtbikes but selection is much more
    limited for a streetbike. Still I think your best option is to shop for
    replacement bars. Steel dirtbike bars are under $20 as they are such a
    common replacement item and so broadly generic. H-D shops and "custom"
    shop sell a lot of aftermarket bars. Most H-D's are 1". A few Hondas
    have a 1" clamp but 7/8" at the grips.

    IIRC the GL650 bars are fairly high and the handgrips are severely
    angled back. I don't blame you for wanting to replace them.

    Would start by removing them completely from the bike and measuring. If
    you find an aftermarket reference for replacement bars you should have a
    guide as to how to measure. Shop the measurements for something better.

    You say that you want only a few degrees of change. Find a strong pipe
    that fits over your bar ends with handgrips removed. Buy/borrow two at
    least 4' or 5' long. Stand one one side of the bike with one of the
    cheater pipes and a friend with the other side with the other. Plan in
    advance how far you wish to bend, then both bend at the same time. Done
    right there won't be much stress on the bike, just the bars.

    Might temporarily change the position in the clamps so both you and your
    friend bend in a plane horizontal with the ground. Its easier that way
    for both to make the same bend.

    For small changes heating the bars, filling with sand, and mandrel
    bending tools are excessive. I've straightened a number of dirtbike
    steel bars with a very heavy hammer, some 2x4 blocks used for padding,
    and a flat concrete sidewalk or driveway. When you want to make a bend
    or straighten one its done the same way one straitens a bent nail. Can
    not hit on the high end, must rotate so the undesired bend is up and hit
    it in the middle. The flat concrete also serves as your reference. The
    clamp section of the bars should lie flat on the concrete as both ends
    of the bars make simultaneous contact else you need to work on symmetry.
    Even so you may not be symmetric. Also measure from center of clamp
    section to each bar end.
     
    David Kelly, Apr 6, 2006
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    John Johnson Guest

    As a number of other people have suggested, I'd start by looking for
    more suitable bars. While it's more expensive, it's also more reliable.
    I'd actually recommend bending cold rather than hot. I've found it
    easier to be precise about the bending. If you're worried about
    weakening the bars, you can anneal them afterwards. Of course, not
    knowing whether or not you need to anneal, and then wondering how to do
    it is one reason why store-bought bars are easier.
    Yeah, usually it's mild steel, AFAIK.
    I would recommend against attempting _any_ bending of Aluminum bars
    (heat or no) unless you know exactly what you're doing and what alloy
    you're dealing with. In this case (the OP has added that these are bars
    off of an '83 Honda GL 650) I'm pretty sure they're not Aluminum (but I
    could be wrong!).

    Yes, it's precipitation hardening, and some alloys do it more than
    others; it's also dependent on both time and temperature for a given
    alloy.

    --
    Later,
    John



    'indiana' is a 'nolnn' and 'hoosier' is a 'solkk'. Indiana doesn't solkk.
     
    John Johnson, Apr 6, 2006
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    Paul Cassel Guest

    Go down to one of MANY bike shops we have in town and have a guy from
    parts look at what you want as you sit on the bike. He'll measure and
    then make a recommendation.
     
    Paul Cassel, Apr 6, 2006
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  10. Ken Long

    Ken Long Guest

    Thanks to everyone for all the comments and suggestions. I think I'll
    ask around at the local bike shops to see if there's anyone in town who
    can look at the bike and make some suggestions. I'm not against paying
    $100 for a new bar...if it will straighten my wrist. Anyone know of a
    local shop (Albuquerque) that has someone knowledgable?

    In case anyone is curious about this, I took some pics of my bent wrist
    on the bar and posted them here:

    http://home.comcast.net/~kenglong/GL650BAR/GL650BAR.htm

    Thanks,
    Ken in Albuquerque
     
    Ken Long, Apr 7, 2006
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  11. http://www.thegsresources.com/gs_ergonomics.htm
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 7, 2006
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  12. Ken Long

    Wudsracer Guest

    I would suggest Honda West (or is it West Honda?) in the north part of
    town. They are good folks. Terry West is an old friend who had my
    business when he ran Texarkana Honda before getting his own shop in
    Albuquerque (and before we opened our shop). Angie Polston, Cliff
    Polston's (from rmd) wife, works the parts/accessories counter.

    They should be able to help you.

    Bikemaster (Tucker Rocky house brand) has the largest selection of low
    cost steel chromed bars. Very reasonable.

    Jim Cook
    Smackover Racing
    Gas Gas DE300
    Team LAGNAF
    www.smackovermotorsports.com
     
    Wudsracer, Apr 7, 2006
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  13. Ken Long

    Paul Cassel Guest

    Motorsports and see Nick. There are many others too.
     
    Paul Cassel, Apr 8, 2006
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  14. Lovely town. Got friends there. Been there twice, for the Balloon
    Fiesta.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 8, 2006
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