Battery Water.

If everyone would killfile Krusty (including newbies), nobody would have
to post to correct him. Think about that.

Hey, this is *reeky*! Where's your sense of adventure?

 

Neil Murray (who calls himself "The Older Gentleman" in disrespect to
a constable who once stopped him and his scruffy friends) destroyed
the credibility of this group ten years ago.

Unfortunately, Murray is hiding behind a bogus email addy.

 

No, it isn't.

 

Where did I ever tell anybody to add pure sulfuric acid(1) to a
battery or to mix his own electrolyte?

If the battery is weak and low on electrolyte, I remove it from the
motorcycle, measure the specifi gravity (if I can) and voltage, top it
up with distilled water, charge it at 10% of the ampere hour capacity
rate, let it cool off, check the resting voltage and specific gravity,
and then add sufficient pre-mixed *electrolyte* to get the level back
to the top line.

If the electrolyte is so weak that it gasses off water below the lower
level and I can't measure the specific gravity with a hydrometer, what
am I supposed to do, add distilled *water* to a fully charged battery?

I don't think so.

(1) The last place I worked had a huge tank filled with thousands of
gallons of 98% pure sulfuric acid, which doesn't look anything like
water...

 

Well let's summarize then.

1) The phrase "boiling the battery" is a misnomer.
Water boils at ~212F and sulfuric acid at ~554 F.
Pretty obviously the electrolyte doesn't reach those
temperatures. A more accurate term is "gassing".

Fluid loss in a battery is caused by electrolysis, where
electric current splits the water in the electrolyte
into hydrogen and oxygen. That's why they tell you
not to smoke or make sparks around batteries.

2) Batteries should be topped off with distilled water.
(see above).

3) Beware of all advice you get on the internet. Some of
it may be incredibly foolish.

Hope this helps the many truth seekers flocking to
reeky.tech.

 

Bwahahahahaha!

TOG killed this NG singlehandedly several years ago.

 

You mean several people pointing out that a certain incompetant shit
is wrong and WHY he is wrong isn't useful I'd like to know how that
isn't useful. I haven't seen you post a thing. As a whole this group
is rather moribund except when somebody is wrong and how and why is
pointed out thus helping everybody learn something.

 

This could be true if you were correct which you are not. Quiet
frankly except for the times when you plagerize or cut and paste you
never get anything right and I doubt highly that you have ever ridden
a motorcycle or served in any capacity in the military or avaition.
All you are is a wannabe and a racist prick.

 

No actually that would be you...Krusty the greatest failure in N.
America. Well after the welfare program any ways.

 

You don't think 33% acid deserves precautions ?

The specific gravity of the electrolyte drops during
discharge and rises during charging as the sulfuric
acid transforms to PbSo4 and back to SO4. Add
water as needed and charge. If the specific gravity
is low, it's because the SO4 is still in the form of
PbSO4, not because it's gone. If the lead and SO4
are still bound up as lead sulfate, more acid won't help.

One more time, batteries loose water because it's
electrolyzed out as H and O2. As everyone has
pointed out, the only reasons to add electrolyte are
spills or stupidity. If there's no spill, the SO4 hasn't
gone anywhere except into a PbSO4 compound. While
it's in the form of lead sulfate, the lead plates aren't
available to react with whatever SO4 you might add.

You really should have gone into phrenology or
fortune telling or something similar, so you could make
up whatever bullshit you cared to with impunity.

 

You mean several people pointing out that a certain incompetant shit
is wrong and WHY he is wrong isn't useful I'd like to know how that
isn't useful. I haven't seen you post a thing. As a whole this group
is rather moribund except when somebody is wrong and how and why is
pointed out thus helping everybody learn something.

 

When I added pure sulfuric acid to water (never water to acid), I wore
a face shield, rubber gloves and apron and rubber boots.

But, where did you see me advising the OP to mix his own electrolyte?

After all, he can buy a lifetime supply of pre-mixed electrolyte from
an auto parts store for a few $$$.

No shit, sherlock?

Didn't I warn the OP that his battery was sulfated from my very first
message? Didn't I tell him to replace it with a maintenance-free
battery?

So. When your gas tank is low on fuel, you add distilled water?

There is still a necessary balance between the plate area and the
volume and specific gravity of electrolyte required to make the
battery work.

The emergency batteries in the power receiving and tranformer station
where I worked for the Department of Water and Power had solid plates
instead of spongy lead plates like an automotive/aircraft/motorcycle
battery has.

The battery maintenance man would come around and add water and check
the specific gravity of the electrolyte.

He pointed out that the electrolyte in the batteries was only about
1.2 instead of nearly 1.3 because the solid plates offered so much
area for the electrolyte to work on.

He said that automotive batteries needed stronger electrolyte because
of the lack of plate area.

 

And I support the entire adult diaper industry all by myself,
according to Sweet S'meetard...

 

And in the few situations where it ought to be added,
battery acid deserves precautions such as eye protection,
which ought to be called out when offering a newby your
unique brand of bad advice.

And it was stupid advice. The correct advice was to add
distilled water and look for an overcharging problem.
Where did you see any indication of low specific gravity
or starting problems which would accompany a sulfated
battery ?

The correct advice was to add water, check voltage regulation
and fix as needed, charge the battery and then check the refilled
battery to see if it would take and hold the charge. Duhhhh !!!

Electrolyte is not "fuel" you idiot. It does not get consumed
and replenished. This is exactly where you've got your head up
your ass.

A deep discharge battery needs a stronger solution
of acid than an automotive type quick discharge
battery. This is not relevant to motorcycle batteries
in any way, shape or form.

It appears that when you worked with batteries, you worked
under the direction of somebody who probably understood
how batteries worked and that your duties didn't require this same
level of understanding of battery chemistry. I'm glad to hear
this.

 

Nope you'd be wrong. It's better off if he left, even if it got
quieter. Let's put it this way, Krusty is so useless that he wouldn't
even make good compost or worm food...hell his ashes wouldn't even
make good filler of a sidewalk or septic tank!

 

Hey I just emailed depends...your last check to them bounced.

 

400 miles later and the battery is still full of water.
Rerouting the sense line seems to have fixed it.
Thanks for the suggestion.
mike

 

Beers all round on Mike, then.

 

Mine's a very large JD (as in leave the bottle).

 

That's only step abobe cough syrup using bog water as a base...better
some Pusser's rhum or a nice well aged Mezcal.