[QUOTE] :-) I'm a long term Suzuki owner and have put and SV650 and a GSX-R750 through several winters of commuting a few years ago. I learned all about FS360 and hosing the bike down regularly.[/QUOTE] Heh, fair enough. [QUOTE] Yes,as I said to Loz, those are V-Strom ones. I'm assuming you have them fitted, do they really make a difference to how cold your hands get? I'll be putting heated grips on as well. [/QUOTE] I had them fitted to my naked Bandit 650 and they made a huge difference, to the extent of being able to wear summer gloves all winter, I tried fitting them to my B1250 but they hit the fairing long before full lock was reached so I didn't bother in the end, I may try again when it starts getting colder and experiment with angle of the handlebars. They only cost me £35 so about a minutes worth of salary to some on here :-)