balancing carbs on R90/6

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by gabe2004, Apr 28, 2006.

  1. gabe2004

    OH- Guest

    First, I'd check in the genuine workshop manual (or with
    someone with access to one) if this is a fault. I know that
    there has been BMW bikes where this was how things
    were meant to be.
    If it should need correcting, there is a minute possible
    adjustment by tightening the swing arm bearing on one
    side and loosening on the other. This is of course limited
    by the need to have the driveshaft line up with its
    tunnel in the swing arm.
    Any other correction would be by truing the frame and
    you need a real specialist to tackle that job.

    Generally, you don't do wheel alignment checks on
    shaft drive bikes unless they have been crashed. There
    are no adjustments so normally alignment does not
    change. And if it's wrong, there is nothing a mere
    mortal can do to correct it.
     
    OH-, May 31, 2006
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  2. There are a couple of things which could be going on.

    As you point out, there's the alignment of the swingarm in
    the frame. At a guess, you might find 1/4 " clearance on each
    side between the arm and frame with the spacing providied by
    the swingarm pivots. I wouldn't touch these unlessI had
    the torque specs to set the bearing correctly.

    On the R90, the rear wheel is (I think) splined and slips
    into the final drive. Not sure what spacers might be involved
    here, but another potential source of misalingment.

    Finally, the OP speaks of play and wiggle in the wheel
    and/or swingarm. This is something I'd really worry about
    until I really understood it. Any kind of failing bearing could
    make for a really scary situation, and if it's failing it can
    fail quickly.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jun 1, 2006
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  3. gabe2004

    OH- Guest

    The bearings are not the problem, they are conical roller
    type and you just snug them up. The Herr Doktor Diplom-
    ingeniör who wrote the manual might make it complicated
    enough to be rocket science but in reality you just need a
    little bit of feel for what you do.
    The problem is the clearance for the driveshaft.
    And, like both you and I said, there is no chance to find
    half an inch here.
    I'm speculating too and I would be very surprised if there
    was a spacer. And at least to me a hub that was in the
    wrong position relative to the final drive housing would
    look very obviously wrong. The rear axle would be very
    short on one side as well. But some people don't seem
    to notice such things so I guess it could happen.
    I totally agree!
     
    OH-, Jun 1, 2006
    #23
  4. On the single sided swing arms, there's a preload torque
    and a final torque, both farly small. The two sided swingarm
    may be a little less fussy, but I'd be careful there, again because
    of a concern about failure. On my paralever, you could probably
    find 1/4 " there if it were pushed all the way to one side instead of
    cenetered. (about 1/2" total space).
    At the BMW 49er rally, I happened to wander into
    the repair facility and catch part of a rant on this subject.
    The bike had a two leg swingarm and had apparantly
    been put back together slightly wrong, such that the
    wheel was a little off and the brakes weren't quite centered
    in the drum. Part of the rant included spacers, possibly
    homemade.
    If it were me, I'd seek a good local mechanic to inspect and
    advise. An inspection would be money well spent.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jun 1, 2006
    #24
  5. Online parts fiche:

    http://www.ascycles.com/Illustrated_catalog/R90_slash6(74-76)/catalog_frameset.html

    Hope this helps.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jun 2, 2006
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  6. gabe2004

    gabe2004 Guest

    Thanks for all the advice guys. I may take it in to a shop. I just
    got that shock bushing in today so I am gonna put that in and I'll tell
    you how it goes. But meanwhile, I have another problem. The clutch
    wont disengage. There is hardly any resistance. The clutch hand lever
    does activate the lever down near the gearbox. I looked in the manual
    and it there is a rod connecting the lever to the clutch plate and
    spring. I think that may be the problem. Any ideas? I looked in my
    clymer manual and it doesn't seam to hard to get the gearbox out. I
    might try it this weekend. Thanks.
     
    gabe2004, Jun 7, 2006
    #26
  7. To completely remove the tranny I think you'll have to either
    remove the swingarm or slide the whole engine forward.
    Not 100% sure on your R90 but true on mine.

    Besides the throwout rod, there's a bearing in there.
    My first bet would be a problem in the throwout bearing.
    There could also be some problem where the rod pushes
    against the diaphragm spring. The R90 clutch and
    and flywheel are different than mine, so I'm a little
    fuzzy on details here.

    If you decide to go after the clutch, a couple of suggestions.

    1) Do not hold the flywheel gear teeth with a screwdriver. Bad shit
    happens. DAMHIK. Use a hunk of scrap metal to bolt the
    flywheel and clutch housing to the engine casing and hold
    it steady.

    2) Be careful how you remove the clutch bolts. You need some
    longer bolts to hold the clutch in place so it doesn't spit parts
    at you when you loosen the last bolt.

    3) Per the manual, clutch bolts and driveshaft bolts should be
    replaced and torqued carefully to spec.

    4) Get some long bolts or threaded rod to thread into the
    boltholes for the bolts holding the tranny to the engine.
    Makes it easier to slide the tranny away from the engine
    using the bolts or rod as guides.

    Good luck. RTFM and go slow and carefully.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jun 7, 2006
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  8. gabe2004

    gabe2004 Guest

    Hey guys. Well, i've been working on it for a couple days, going slow
    and I have the transmission out. I guess now is the hard part. Have a
    few unrelated questions though. I'm trying to get the rubber bushing
    out from the right shock to replace it. It consists of an inner metal
    bushing, rubber, and an outer metal bushing. The outer metal bushing
    is really stuck in the shock. I suppose i might need a press to get it
    out. Any other ideas? Also, when I removed the rear wheel, one of the
    bearings fell on the floor and got some dirt on it. Think it will be
    ok to clean it and brush it off in kerosene? Thanks
     
    gabe2004, Jun 17, 2006
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  9. gabe2004

    John Johnson Guest

    I'd check a BMW-specific resource (e.g. the iBMWR list or a BMW
    mechanic) for information before I tried anything, but then I'm cautious
    that way.
    What sort of bearing is this? A needle or roller bearing? Generally,
    cleaning in kerosene or similar solvent is the recommended course of
    action for non-sealed bearings. If it's a sealed bearing, then solvents
    shouldn't be necessary.

    --
    Later,
    John



    'indiana' is a 'nolnn' and 'hoosier' is a 'solkk'. Indiana doesn't solkk.
     
    John Johnson, Jun 18, 2006
    #29
  10. Have you got the replacement part in hand already ?
    I wouldn't try to remove the old one until I had the new one
    there to examine and to install.

    Lots of times you can use a socket wrench or a ground to
    size washer to remove a stuck part. You can often use
    a hammer and drift, a nut and bolt or a clamp in place of
    a press. If a press is needed, any shop can do this
    cheaply.

    To cut a washer down to size, I've spun it on a bolt chucked
    in an electric drill and ground or filed it down. You should be
    wearing goggles if you try this. When the washer is the
    same diameter as the part you're trying to remove, a
    nut and bolt can be used to pull the part. I've used this
    trick on paralever bearings.

    It's also OK to do a destructive removal as long as
    you confine the damage to the part you're removing
    and you're sure you have the replacement.
    If you clean it, you have to re-grease it. Mobil 1
    synthetic grease is a good bet for most applications.
    As others have pointed out, if it's sealed, you shouldn't
    have to clean it.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jun 19, 2006
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