<TOG@toil>; <[email][/email]>; <[email][/email]> wrote in message [QUOTE="? ¥?iffiths"] it still happens especily if the bike has been parked up for a long[/QUOTE] time Nobody's arguing that brakes seize up, you slydexic tawt. What people are telling you is that it doesn't happen by water getting past the brake seals. Hint - what does the word "seal" mean? And if they leak, then brake luid will come *out*. Look - think of it this way. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you can't read properly: Kool - htkni fo ti hits yaw Brake systems work under pressure, right? So if you're right, and the seals are letting water through them the first time you pull the lever or hit the pedal, all the brake fluid should shoot out with a whoosh that matches your incomprehension. What about the dust seals you stupid fucking twat that's what I am talking about, I do not know if his bike has them or not but if my pistons where stuck i would take the calliper apart and have a good clean and look around, why bother trying to bleed them if your brakes dont work. When i took mine apart there was shit everywhere even black shit behind the pistons i think his brakes are unsafe and need reconditioning. i think you are a fucking wanker when all you want to do is attack me when all I want to do is help someone with there braks before they kill them selfs so go fuck your self you fucking gimp