Baffled but not rattled

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pip Luscher, Sep 24, 2005.

  1. Pip Luscher

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Those late leavers at the EOSM will know what a racket the Quota's
    baffles were making.

    Well, no more. I performed "letter box" surgery on the old collector
    box: I cut open three sides of a rectangle at the top front, then
    folded it back to expose the internals.

    It's now all welded and quiet and the Shite Old Welder only jammed up
    once!

    The only downer was when I decided that, as the exhausts were off, I'd
    better check the engine front mounting bolt.

    Oh dear, oh dear. Here's hoping that no major surgery will be required
    for a good long time.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 24, 2005
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  2. Pip Luscher

    JB Guest

    Which were summarily removed?
    Seized perchance?
    Know anyone with an Oxy kit? You *will* need it. Takes less than 5 mins to
    free up no matter how seized. All 4 of the last Guzzi lumps I've had to
    remove have had this very problem. It only takes moment once a year to
    slide the bolt out and slap a bit of copaslip on there.

    JB
     
    JB, Sep 24, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    Since I gained a minor collection of timing chain covers with a section
    of front engine bolt in them [1] I give the front bolt a turn every time
    I change the oil or piss about with the front end.


    [1] How difficult would it be for, say, a well known home engineer to
    drill the old seized bolt out and fit steel inserts?
     
    sweller, Sep 24, 2005
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  4. Pip Luscher

    Muck Guest

    It made some interesting sounds. :) I'm going to have to sort my Bandits
    breaking up baffles out before I get it back on the road, and the end of
    the silencer where it goes into the collector box.

    I've proved now, that I can weld 1.something mm steel with an arc
    welder, but I really think that I'll get it done properly in stainless
    steel by a good tig welder.
     
    Muck, Sep 24, 2005
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  5. Pip Luscher

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    He'd find it very easy (1).

    You'd probably find it very easy to knock out the broken bolt
    yourself if you put the cover in the oven at home and warmed it up
    enough for the casing to expand and free off the bolt.

    (1) Assuming you mean that nice Mr Eaton.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Sep 24, 2005
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  6. Pip Luscher

    sweller Guest

    Tried that. These fuckers weld themselves in place.
     
    sweller, Sep 24, 2005
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  7. Pip Luscher

    Muck Guest

    Alloy engine case, steel bolt by any chance? Is it a straight through
    bolt, or is it a blind hole?
     
    Muck, Sep 24, 2005
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  8. Pip Luscher

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Bring one to Donington next week, I'll have a look at it when I get a
    bit of spare time. I'll almost certainly be able to get the seized
    bolt out but small lathes are a rarity in my life so making a sleeve
    will have to be passed on to someone else.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Sep 24, 2005
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  9. Pip Luscher

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Got a Bernzomatic mapp gas set - some lowlife swiped my big mapp gas
    rig.
    Well, the plan is not to worry about it until engine surgery is
    needed. Then I'll simply(!) remove the front cover with right lower
    rail attached (the left will come off as it's only under the nut) and
    apply serious heat as suggested.

    I the meantime I'll give it the occasional plusgas & belt with a
    Universal Adjuster to prevent it deteriorating further.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 24, 2005
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    JB Guest

    Seriously, 'Oxy' *is* the only option. Localised heat: *lots* of energy.
    Anything welse is just a waste of time. It really does work every time.

    JB
     
    JB, Sep 24, 2005
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  11. Pip Luscher

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Actually, no, it would almost certainly bugger the mixture and the
    engine pinks a bit in warm weather as it is. Without a Power Commander
    or similar there's limited adjustment available to the top-end
    mixture.

    I really, really regret not buying a set of aftermarket pipework/chip
    when I had the chance.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 24, 2005
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  12. Fark. I see a new front engine cover in your future.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 24, 2005
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  13. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller
    Piece of piss. You know where I am.

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets
    and Ducati Race Engineer.

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    Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Yamaha GTS1000
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Sep 25, 2005
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  14. Pip Luscher

    sweller Guest

    Certainly makes sense. Unfortunately I've never access to oxy gear when
    I've needed to remove one and have always had to resort to the hacksaw
    blade wrapped in a cloth method.

    I did use an angle grinder once. Messy.

    Hence my distaste for them for doing that kind of work.
     
    sweller, Sep 25, 2005
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  15. Pip Luscher

    sweller Guest

    ....and guess what are like hens teeth in the breakers.
     
    sweller, Sep 25, 2005
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  16. Pip Luscher

    Pip Luscher Guest


    Fark. I see a new front engine cover in your future.[/QUOTE]

    Well, if it comes down to it, I'm prepared to use deadly force.

    Er, how long do Guzzi timing chains last?
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 25, 2005
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  17. Well, if it comes down to it, I'm prepared to use deadly force.

    Er, how long do Guzzi timing chains last?[/QUOTE]

    A surprisingly long time. They'll clank and rattle for years, to no ill
    effect. Trouble is, ShiteOldBigGuzzis[1] didn't have a proper tensioner
    - just a guide. Some people modded V50 tensioners to fit.

    Gear drive conversion. YKIMS.

    [1] Anything using the old 850/1000 engine and its derivatives.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 25, 2005
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  18. Pip Luscher

    sweller Guest

    They're supposed to be good for 20 - 30K on the big twins. Mine's done
    35K and is still quiet.

    Yes they do. Some have manual ones which are a bit of a pisser but
    mine's got an 850 automatic one. I'll try to dig out a picture later.
     
    sweller, Sep 25, 2005
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  19. Oh! My old Spadas didn't - neither of them. Just a basic guide.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 25, 2005
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  20. Pip Luscher

    sweller Guest

    ITYF that was a manual adjuster.
    The guide slides, IIRC, R-L. You move it across against the chain to
    provide the tension and then nip the screws down.
     
    sweller, Sep 25, 2005
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