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    Hog Guest

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringNews/idUKNOA72719620080407
    "London mayor Ken Livingstone said on Monday he would try to impose a 20
    mile-per-hour speed limit on all London's residential streets"

    Seems to me about the only way to proceed at a regular 20mph is on a 50cc
    contraption. Tog, you may want to buy your Ape back!

    It's all madness but as I recall "racing" about on 50 and 125cc bikes when
    we were 16/17 wasn't any less fun than 1000cc bikes now.
     
    Hog, Apr 7, 2008
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    Adrian Guest

    Man's a fuckwit.

    There's houses all along, f'rexample, the A1 heading north, both inside
    and outside the North Circular. As well as long much of the North & South
    Circs themselves.
     
    Adrian, Apr 7, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    And you believe that these will be designated as residential streets?
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 7, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    I can quite imagine Ken saying that all roads inside the Tax Raising Zone
    are "residential".
     
    Hog, Apr 7, 2008
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    Eiron Guest

    Eiron, Apr 7, 2008
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    darsy Guest

    what, including - for example - London Wall?
     
    darsy, Apr 7, 2008
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    crn Guest

    I am trying to figure out how much of this is journalistic daftness and
    how much is a genuine Red Ken stunt.

    Actually acheiving 20mph for more than a few yards in london is unlikely
    so maybe they are thinking about copying the residential schemes in use
    elsewhere. This involves blocking off all of the rat runs and changing
    road layouts so that most residential streets are dead ended and have a
    child-friendly 15 mph limit in the short end stubs.
    Done properly these schemes work well but they require a lot of very
    expensive roadworks and often attact objections from local traders.

    Slapping on silly speed limits does NOT solve the problem, it just makes
    good sound bites for politicians.

    Sounds like Ken at election time .......
     
    crn, Apr 7, 2008
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  8. Hog

    Hog Guest

    "if anyone can see it from their place of residence"
     
    Hog, Apr 7, 2008
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    Adrian Guest

    Do you have an alternative definition of "residential streets" to the
    usual "a road with people living in houses neatly lined up along either
    side"?
     
    Adrian, Apr 7, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Yep - a street designated as "residential" for the purposes of
    imposing a 20mph limit.
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 7, 2008
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    Adrian Guest

    So the official definition of a "residential street" has nothing
    whatsoever to do with whether the street has residences or not...?

    My head hurts.
     
    Adrian, Apr 7, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    <g> Suppose you've decided that housing estates, and any other groups
    of houses where, for example, children play in the streets, should be
    used by cars for access only and at low speeds only. You need a phrase
    to encapsulate that sort of street. My first choice would be
    "residential street" - YMMV.
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 7, 2008
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    Adrian Guest

    But how would you differentiate those residential streets from the other
    kind of street where residents reside in residences?
     
    Adrian, Apr 7, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    By the 20mph limit on them.
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 7, 2008
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    Adrian Guest

    Lemme just check - that'll be the 20mph limit applying to all residential
    streets except for the non-residential streets with residents residing in
    residences on them?
     
    Adrian, Apr 7, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Got it!
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 7, 2008
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  17. Hog

    Adrian Guest

    <head explodes>

    Anyway, to go back to the original question - do I really think Ken would
    try to slap a blanket 20mph limit on the A1 & Circulars - yes, I bloody
    well do.
     
    Adrian, Apr 7, 2008
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    darsy Guest

    there are areas of central London that are already covered with
    blanket 20mph limits - Somers Town comes to mind.
     
    darsy, Apr 7, 2008
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    Whinging Courier Guest

    Hahaha!

    Brilliant.
     
    Whinging Courier, Apr 7, 2008
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    Whinging Courier Guest

    That's nothing, I heard that Michael Aspel had five bastard children by
    Pamela Anderson.
     
    Whinging Courier, Apr 7, 2008
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