Anyone going? -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
I know - the EOTFTOSM[1]. Sheep. [1] End Of The First Third Of etc. -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
It isn't. Yebbut that's not as catchy. Besides, the nicest weather in recent years has been later in the year. September is the new July. Is there a # for a '**** off from Champ'? I'm sure there should be. -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
Yes it fucking is. And the longest day. And my Birthday (and AndyR's too). Just because there _used_ to be a pagan "holiday" of that name on the 24th in days of yore (i.e. before the gregorian calendar was adopted) doesn't mean the currently accepted use, to mean the longest day of the year, is not correct. It's the old use that's now 'wrong', if anything. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.340 -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
"In reality there are no hard and fast criteria to determine the start of each season; the onset of Spring, for instance, could be the date on which the first daffodil is seen or the first birds make their nests or some such criterion. The dates of nearly all of these are not only extremely difficult to determine but also vary quite dramatically through the United Kingdom, let alone the rest of the World. " -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
Exactly. So if you want to allocate a specific date to a season, or any part of it, the only baseline that makes sense is the astronomical one, which uses the equinoxes. -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
Also from that page: "Thus Spring is deemed to start at the Vernal Equinox (near March 21), Summer at the Summer Solstice (near June 21), Autumn at the Autumn Equinox (near September 21) and Winter at the Winter Solstice (near December 21)" Me! Getting back to the original point, one thing I think we can agree on is that June 21st is not the 'middle of summer'. It's either the start of summer, or three weeks into summer using the "three calendar months" approach. Therefore tonight can't be a MOSM - it's either a BOSM or an EOTFT(ish)OSM. -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
Err. Yes. It does. Eventually. It's an evolving language thingy, innit. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
Why the **** would you want to do that? You're contradicting your own sources here. It says, quite clearly, that the use of the term 'start of summer' is an entirely arbitrary thing for convenience sake only, used in astronomical circles. It's use in a more general sense is contra-indicated by the tesxt I quoted. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
Paging Des... -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
No it doesn't. In the real world, if we talk about having four seasons, then they're something like: 1) Cold, dead 2) Getting warmer, lots of new life appearing, 3) Long days, normally warm, 4) Nights drawing in, crops harvested, leaves dropping, getting colder. So what makes sense, if we actually want to allocate a specific date, is to pick one which accurately reflects what actually happens. **** the astronomers and their so-called "official". If they want to call summer spring then let them get on with it, but don't try and say that they're "right" when they're patently not, nor expect the rest of the world to agree with their arbitrary definition. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
<fx: agrees to disagree> -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
OK, but only if you promise to dig a trench to sleep in, & shoot a few locals. -- Krusty. http://www.muddystuff.co.uk http://www.muddystuff.us Off-road classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
Can't recall, OTTOMH, but if so it's just coincidence. The date was set as one of the 'quarter days' when rent would be paid. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
