Arnold 2008???

you can't free people by killing them.

 

who's God? yours?

and, 'the church' ? which church? last I looked, there were quite a few.

 

Which helps confirm that, from time to time, society is challenged to
refine which things it wants to have promoted and outlaw the bad. The
good ideas are kept and the bad ones tend to get discarded eventually.

Since we depend so greatly on how well the next generation does, it's
certainly not asking too much for society to provide a special
institution for males and females, since having children is a very
normal result of such unions. We see to our own interests when we
work to ensure children get the best chance early in life.

Society can still promote what is generally regarded as the best
arrangement for the welfare of the children - even without needing to
outlaw common-law and other types of relationships that might also
bring children into the world.

This thing called marriage is what it is because of what can (even
unintentionally) happen when men and women get it on: babies!

Children are not going to result unintentionally if 2 gays have a wild
night of sex.

Should children enter the picture and the father (or mother) splits
the scene, it's then society left picking up the tab (to some extent
[1]) so that's why we marriage has been regarded, throughout the ages,
as a useful and beneficial institution.

Even polygamy makes more sense than redefining marriage as being for
same sex. The part children play in the equation should not be
diminished. If anything, children have already been diminished to
much by changing mores already.


[1] Either by providing the financial assistance the father should
have provided or dealing with the consequences of a neglected child
not able to adapt into society later... or even both.

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No but we built a 30 million dollar toilet that works in space... you don't
want do-do and pee-pee floating free in your capsule...

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:10:12 -0800, "Larry xlax Lovisone"

That's pretty much what I see happening. They'll have no freedom until
the invader's gone, so they're fighting the invader. It's exactly what
I would do myself under similar circumstances, although perhaps not
the same way I'd do it. After all, I'm a technical professional in a
highly developed weapons industry. Cutting off heads seems a bit
beside the point to me. On the other hand, I'm not going to criticise
someone who does what he's able to do to resist an invader, even
though I might do something differently myself.

Al Moore
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Yes... marriage can be defined by anyone anyway they choose...

History shows people are skilled at justifying anything with the Bible...

What the world needs is a religion that will cover the other six days of the
week...

When God supports spiritual fruits... instead of religious nuts... he's
giving two thumbs up to gays...

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<snipperoo!>

A line has been drawn by a group of people with no legitimate interest
in the issue, and they have attempted to give their line some legal
standing. They make some religious arguments in support of their
contention, that I won't bother to comment on because I don't share
their religious beliefs, and they are, so far, not permitted to impose
them on me. They have also argued that failure to establish such a
legal restriction will in some way weaken other marriages, although
they have not, as yet, provided any evidence that this assertion is
true.

So far, the legal standing of gay marriage has not been tested in any
federal court. It's been approved by one state's supreme court, and is
scheduled to go before some others. Hitherto, definition of marriage
has been left to the states (a point I came to understand when seeking
a visa for my first wife - the federal immigration authorities found
the rules on what constituted a marriage vague and difficult to
understand).

I might consider an analogy useful. For most of the history of the
United States, inter-racial marriage was strictly prohibited. The
California Supreme Court ruled that the prohibition was
unconstitutional in 1948, and now there is no such prohibition in any
state.

Now the Massachussetts Supreme Court has done the same thing with
respect to gay marriage. I'm slightly ashamed that California was not
the one to take the lead on this issue, but hey, we can't be first all
the time.

Al Moore
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A statement like that is a perfect example of why liberal ideas are
regarded so spineless, vaccilating and timid.

When Islamic extremists - not accidentally, but purposely - seek
civilians and aid workers, sawing off their heads while praising
Allah, crying out that the West doesn't respect Islam while they shoot
from inside mosques and hide among women and children to use them as
human shields and set off bombs (on purpose, not accidentally) inside
buses and schools filled with children, you still can't bring yourself
to distinguish between one side and the other or criticise? Wow.

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That's pretty much what I see happening too... the Iraqis have requested the
US military close off it's borders to keep out foreign invades bent on
stopping their elections...

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I'm slightly ashamed that California was not

That's why I voted for Arnold... he will not rest until California is
first...

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1. There are more prices to pay than cash.
2. Not all working wives make as much (or more than) the husband.
3. 2 means "twice as much money" is an assumption.
4. stay-at-home wives tend to suck down the brain-numbing daytime TV.
5. 4 means "the price just went up" (see #1)

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"X-No-archive: yes"

Sure you can. At the very least from "this mortal coil".

 

[snip]

Sure it does. All the time.

The new testament permits slavery, states that women are to be
subservient to men, and advocates communism. I haven't heard many
churches espousing these views. These aspects seem to be ignored
nowadays.

I wonder why?

-- Michael

 

And neither will children result after a wild night of sex between my
73-year old widower father and his post-menopausal girlfriend. Yet,
they are getting married next year. Why can he get married, but not a
gay couple?

Josh Rosenbluth

 

Ahh, so you see my point. People keep using the bible to sanction
marriage as a monogomous male/female only relationship and saying that
the definition shouldn't change, yet the definition did change in the bible.

I'll continue to be an atheist, it suffices my 7 day needs.

Since I don't believe in an invisible friend, I'll just have to take
your word for it.

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Yet you cannot accept that maybe the definition needs to be refined, and
that is must stay the same? It's been a constant change as to its
definition.

And how does classifying a marriage to be ONLY between a man and a woman
ensure children get the best chance early in life? I can show you many
instances where a couple shouldn't be allowed to raise their kids, but
they are married. Marriage doesn't guarantee a damn thing.

Common-law marriage is outlawed in many of the states of the US.
Virginia doesn't even recognize common-law marriages from other states,
thanks to the religious right (Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, Oral
Roberts, et al).

No, the thing called marriage is all about property, and has been since
the beginning. Women were the property of the men, and marriage was
about transferring that property from the father to the husband. Babies
can happen without marriage, and often does.

And children are not going to result unintentionally if my wife an I
have a wild night of sex (since she's no long able to have kids). Just
another strawman arguement.

Marriage has NOTHING to do with one or the other splitting the scene in
your example. It has all to do with splitting of property, nothing else.

You're confusing things here. Marriage is NOT about the children, it's
about property.

This happens IRREGARDLESS of if the two were married or not.

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Shakespeare put it more succinctly: Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of
war.

It seems that the longer any conflict is allowed to persist, the worse
its participants behave. What was true in the Civil War was equally
true in the two World Wars of the last century, and could have been seen
in miniature in last week's Basketbrawl. The Middle East imbroglio
appears to be-heading (pun intended) down that same path.

Rich, Urban Biker

 

Mike...
I talk with God every night in the hot tub... and what's amazing is that the
more I talk to him the more the thinks like me... same for you ???

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If the world doesn't belong in God's house why are you going there? Or
are you some sort of divine moron?

 

Since the "Iraqis" in question are in fact leaders installed by the
US, why would you expect them to say or do anything contrary to our
desires?

Look up the word "sycophant" sometimes.