Ariel Square Four

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Dr Ivan D. Reid, Jun 24, 2006.

  1. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake Grimly Curmudgeon () unto the assembled multitudes:
    Another difference is that the K100 is liquid cooled, whereas this Wiking
    thing is air-cooled. I'd be a bit concerned about the rear pots
    overheating.
     
    A.Clews, Jun 26, 2006
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  2. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    kenney Guest

    It was more a touring bike than a sports one with flexibility as
    the main factor. Claimed output for the Mk II all alloy engine
    was 42HP. Max speed was about 100. A road test I have gives 13 to
    97MPH in top gear with a fastest one way speed of 107.

    Ken Young
     
    kenney, Jun 26, 2006
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  3. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    Roger Hunt Guest

    Another ground-breaking British almost-invention probably
    isn't the Deltic engine-powered helicopter (the Delicopter).
     
    Roger Hunt, Jun 26, 2006
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    Adrian Guest

    Roger Hunt () gurgled happily, sounding much like
    they were saying :
    I'd have thought a Delticopter would make quite a good job of breaking the
    ground... if it ever left it in the first place.
     
    Adrian, Jun 26, 2006
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  5. It's essential. Mind you, someone made a flat opposed piston one with 2
    cranks before the deltic. And napier made some beauties, including broad
    arrow and H layouts.
     
    Austin Shackles, Jun 26, 2006
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  6. silly bugger.
     
    Austin Shackles, Jun 26, 2006
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  7. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    Roger Hunt Guest

    I'm recollecting old film clips I've seen, of strange, early engine-
    powered flying machines, and I wouldn't be surprised if somebody chipped
    in and said it's already been tried seriously ...
    (... but if not, would the Lottery Fund finance a ukrmc Delticopter
    project? I'm sure they've given loads of money to much dafter ventures
    before now.)
     
    Roger Hunt, Jun 26, 2006
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  8. There was a vertical crank chopper engine... small by today's standards.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 26, 2006
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  9. That seemed to be a common thing with the original longitudinal fours. I
    suppose the way round it then would have been progressively bigger
    finning front to rear, but I don't think that was ever tried.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 26, 2006
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Actually, a little voice is telling me that it was really for pulling
    a chair. Does this sound right?
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 26, 2006
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  11. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Junkers did a mean opposed-piston motor too.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 26, 2006
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  12. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Ride-on Flymo.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 26, 2006
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  13. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    Pip Luscher Guest

    My old CZ Twin had bigger fins to the rear of the cylinder. My first
    reaction was that the head was on back-to-front.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 26, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    platypus, Jun 26, 2006
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    kenney Guest

    That is usually only the case in H4s like the Brough Superior
    Golden Dream, where one crank acts as a balance for the other.
    Oh, and possibly the case in HO engines with four or more
    cylinders. HO twins have always had the boxer layout as far back
    as the Fee.

    Ken Young
     
    kenney, Jun 27, 2006
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    kenney Guest

    It was certainly popular for that. In fact they redesigned the
    crank of the original version pre-war to give more flywheel
    effect because of this.

    Ken Young
     
    kenney, Jun 27, 2006
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  17. Dr Ivan D. Reid

    kenney Guest

    Won't help that much with an iron engine. Heat conduction from
    the hot surface to the fin tips is limited so there is a limit on
    useful fin depth. You can use much deeper fins with alloy
    engines. Of course another reason for water cooling is to reduce
    engine noise. I remember a rumour that BMW considered an air
    cooled H4 but rejected it as too hard to meet sound requirements.




    Ken Young
     
    kenney, Jun 27, 2006
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  18. that's the bugger I was thinking of. as used in the Commer trucks, and
    possibly others too, wasn't there a 2-stroke foden? I've actually heard one
    on the road once - apprently ordinary lorry making thoroughly unlikely
    sound. ISTR they had a reputation of running very hot and then distorting
    and going wrong when stopped and shut down without a cooling-off period.
     
    Austin Shackles, Jun 27, 2006
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  19. It was not unknown for TS3 piston crowns to become detached. Being a
    2-stroke this was more or less OK while the engine was running but once it
    stopped that's the way it stayed.

    Ron Robinson
     
    R.N. Robinson, Jun 27, 2006
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    Naqerj Guest

    Well, they were good for that. My dad had one with a massive Canterbury
    sidecar (Carmobile?). Front seat would take two people and there was
    a narrower rear seat (to leave space for the wheel). So, with a pillion
    passenger too, that was a family of five catered for.
     
    Naqerj, Jun 27, 2006
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