Aren't ZX9Rs cheap!

JC and Lozzo have covered this pretty well, but just to add - the B
model is poorly regarded, and so *has* to be bought cheap cos you sure
as hell won't sell it for much. The C onwards is a *completely*
different bike, and really so much better that I can't see any reason
for not going for one at today's prices.

Interestingly, when the C1 came out in 1998 (the same year as the R1),
Performance Bikes wrote : "I don't know if an R1 will do two laps of
the Proddie TT on one tank, but if it does, there'll be a 9R right on
it's tail".

 

Lozzo scribbled:

LOL

You ain't that small Loz, just imagine if my nephew Ross had to choose
a bike. I can't help seeing images of Vince on his 9R

 

frag says...

When I was 16 and about to buy my RD250, I sat on one and was shocked
at just how fucking hugely massive and heavy it was compared to my
FS1E. I was bigger built then than I am now.

 

Hmm... when I was 17[1] and about to do the same (same bike, BTW), I
didn't think it was very big at all.

[1] So skinny [2] that people though there was something wrong with me.
[2] Yes! Really!
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When I was 16 I sat on a CB250RS[1][2] and it seemed very big & heavy.
I ended up with a second-hand RD200 instead[3].

[1] It was just out and getting good reviews.
[2] Isn't a shame the way one's dreambike can turn into
such a crock of shit )
[3] The 250 was about £800 IIRC and I couldn't afford one.

 

Lozzo ha escrito:

Could you define "ages" in terms of distance, either in imperial or
metric units? Thanks.

(wondering whether an Scottoiler pays for itself or just saves the work
of oiling the chain every several kms (or miles))

 

wrote

I don't have a snotoiler by my take on it is that if you do enough
mileage to *need* a new chain every year without one then you will
benefit from having one and if, like me currently, it is taking a month
to empty the tank there is no real point as you will be oiling the chain
manually probably more often than you take the bike out just to stop it
rusting away.

I also suspect that a bright minded soul would make his money back on a
subsequent resale too.

 

emerged from their own little world to say

I fitted a Scottoiler to a VFR750 at 2000 miles and a TDM850 from 0 miles.

Both bikes were sold at approx 16000 miles still with the original chain
and plenty of adjustment remaining.

I have a friend with a VFR750 that did 35000 miles before he ran out of
adjustment.

Another friend, on a CB1000 "Big One", did close to 40000 miles before his
chain snapped through metal fatigue.

I cannot say how this compares to a well looked after chain as I don't have
any references. I would suggest that changing the chain well before you get
to 40000 miles is advisable....

 

says...

It all depends on the bike, the chain and the way it's ridden, but for
myself, I have found that chains last at least twice as long when I
have a Scottoiler fitted. In normal use I don't have to adjust the
chain in between tyre changes.

The chain on my old CB250RS has done about 20,000 miles and is about
half worn. I put that down to it having a Scottoiler fitted chucking
cheap Husqvarna chainsaw oil over it at a good rate. CB250RSs are
notorious for chewing good quality chains in very few miles, but the
one I fitted was the cheapest on the shelf and it lasted well. I didn't
exactly treat that bike nicely either.

 

wessie says...

So we're in agreement then? Fitting a Scottoiler is finacially viable
if you do a lot of miles.

I tend to take them off bikes I'm selling and refit the whole thing to
the next bike, that makes them even more worthwhile buying.

 

*ding*

Perfect for me, because a) I'm fucking lazy, b) I'm busy with other stuff

 

Lozzo emerged from their own little world to say

Yes. Not having to **** about adjusting & lubing the chain if you do 500
miles a week is a big bonus [1]

I've done the reverse. Having a Scottoiler fitted is a big plus point when
shifting a bike. Buyers are given the impression that you care about
maintenance when in fact it is a sign of a lazy, but savvy, ****.

[1] although there is the other solution as per sig

 

wessie says...

I'm perfectly honest. I tell them it used to have one fitted but I took
it off so I can fit it to my new bike or I give them the opportunity to
buy it already fitted for another 100 quid. I only left the one on the
9R because Beelzebub gave me another one in a box to replace it and
that'll be going on the Gixer with a lube-tube touring resevoir soon.

 

Got one on the Tig - They're excellent.

Warning: when you fir it, you need to be aware of how tichtly it will be
crammed into the available space. Overfill and it will piss out the extra
overnight.
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Fr Jack says...

Where it will fit on the gixer is huge. I plan to slot it behind the
side of the tail section and cable tie it to the subframe with the
metering unit as vertical as possible there too. I may fit the metering
unit next to the battery if I can't get it to sit upright enough.

 

I found one, earlier, me legs feel really cramped up.

No matter how I shifted about, I couldn't ease it, so that puts them out
of the pic, unfortunately.

Anyone know how similar the riding position is on the ZZR11, blackbird and
CBR thou, compared to the 9R?
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Fr Jack says...

Hard to say without you trying them all.

 

What is your experience of them?
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You can actually place the RMV horizontally with the lube tube fitted.
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Fr Jack says...

ZZR1100 - Typically Kawasaki. Dead reliable gutsy engine that makes all
the right noises. Heavy, good on fuel, not as heavy on consumables as
some would like you to believe. Riding position is very relaxed when
compared to ZX-9R and Gixer Thou. Brakes are average and not really up
to stopping a 175mph bike when being ridden hard. ZX-9RC+E brakes,
though not the best, are much better. Stick a flip screen on and you
just don't notice the wind rush. Handle well enough for a lardy bike.
Compared to the ZX-9R the ZZR is a fast truck.

CBR1000F - Typically Honda. Fast but doesn't feel like it, bland but
reliable enough. Riding position much the same as ZZR but heavier and
doesn't handle as surefootedly. I thought the brakes were worse than
the ZZRs. Takes a lot of effort to hustle one through back roads, the
ZZR is easier to ride hard. Never owned one so can't comment on
consumables, but Mups and WC can give that kind of info. Compared to a
ZX-9R the CBR is a fucking huge overweight pig.

Blackbird - I don't like them. I don't like the riding position, the
fuel consumption and the brakes. They are expensive to buy for what
they are and heavier on consumables than ZZRs from what I've seen.
Lovely engine, but I don't like much else about them. I wouldn't own
one purely because I hate linked brakes. You can get a much better ZX-
9R for the same money.

That's my opinion on them. Of the three I'd buy a ZZR1100, but as I've
owned three of them I could be classed as biased. In preference to a
ZZR1100 I'd have a ZX-9R though, mainly because the riding position
isn't all that far removed from the ZZR's, but the 9R is lighter,
easier to ride and just as easy to pack lots of soft luggage on. Put a
Airblade double bubble screen like mine had and you won't feel the wind
at 170.