Are soldiers murderers?

Sure, Murder probably involves premeditiation and intent. I think
you're chasing your tail with all this "court must decide on [un]
lawfulness" business. Presumably this means that there is a piece of
legislation which details the situations in which a person is allowed
to kill another person with intent and premeditation? Maybe you could
post a link to that? If not, is it determined by common law, and
doesn't common law set precedents, so why would it be necessary for a
court to pass judgement again. That's reinventing the wheel.

Nev..

 

I dunno... if you believe in the God who was supposed to have dictated
the 10 commandments, then, I suppose you have to believe in the
commandments as non-voluntary.

If you don't believe in that God, they are still a pretty reasonable set
of instructions, but not binding.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

I certainly don't believe in God but those that do recognise that it's a
voluntary set of rules with pretty harsh consequences for those that decide
to break em.
Ahh religion it's the perpetuation of ignorance and fear. I have little
but contempt for religion, most days, depends if I'm ailing.

Capt. A. L..

 

Sure, Murder probably involves premeditiation and intent. I think
you're chasing your tail with all this "court must decide on [un]
lawfulness" business. Presumably this means that there is a piece of
legislation which details the situations in which a person is allowed
to kill another person with intent and premeditation? Maybe you could
post a link to that? If not, is it determined by common law, and
doesn't common law set precedents, so why would it be necessary for a
court to pass judgement again. That's reinventing the wheel.

Nev..

I have in a previous post given you examples of when a killing with
premeditation and intent does not constitute murder but I'll revisit them
here again
1 A person who with the consent of the state ( Texes USA ) executes a person
sentenced to death by the courts
2 A doctor who performs euthanasia on a consenting aged suffering patient
in the Netherlands
3 An abused housewife who after years of sustained physical and mental abuse
plans and carries out the killing of her abusive husband while he is asleep,
charged with murder but found not guilty due to the act being deemed
justifiable homicide by the courts
4 A person who kills another but is deemed to be of diminished
responsibility by the court due to mental illness
5 A solider in war who kills another opposing solider or even a civilian
granted immunity by his state under certain conditions
All the above examples involve killing with premeditation and intent
There is likely many more examples, each case is different and in each case
a person can only be a murderer if and when found guilty by a court, Until
then he/she will be a person who has killed and/or an alleged murderer.

The bottom line is killing is not murder until detirmined by a court of law.

Capt. A. L.

 

Sure, Murder probably involves premeditiation and intent. I think
you're chasing your tail with all this "court must decide on [un]
lawfulness" business. Presumably this means that there is a piece of
legislation which details the situations in which a person is allowed
to kill another person with intent and premeditation? Maybe you could
post a link to that? If not, is it determined by common law, and
doesn't common law set precedents, so why would it be necessary for a
court to pass judgement again. That's reinventing the wheel.

Nev..

 

You think?

Including numbers 1-4 ?

If you don't believe in a god?

Co-o-o-o-o-o-l

 

No - that was George Carlin who did that (close, but no cigar).
Search YouTube for evidence.

Which commandments are currently criminal?

No.6, no.8 and under some circumstances (such as when under oath), no.9.

The rest are cool.

 

For the person who has probably posted "there is no god" more than any
other in aus.moto, I never picked you as a biblical literalist, Clem

Nev..
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I can never decide whether to believe in the god who commanded Moses not
to kill, or the one who sought to kill Moses.

Nev..
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That's all very good, and not the first time that you've provided a list
of not-murder in your attempt to prove something is or isn't murder.

And a court determine the lawfullness of all of the above? Does the
executioner get taken to court after every execution to determine
whether their act was lawful? Does the Dutch doctor have to prove the
lawfullness of their action after every death? Does every soldier have
to face a court to provide evidence of the lawfulness of their killing?

According to you, repeatedly, only a court can make that decision.

Nev..
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Indeed there are, they relate to the ability of the executioners
inability to be charged with various offences in certain countries.

No intent you say? I'm sure they intended to pull the lever (or
whatever they are using).

No premeditation you say? I'm sure they thought seriously about doing
this before they did it.


G-S

 

Sorry this quote is incorrect I did not post that comment.

Boxer

 

It was me, not boxer, and I don't know why you would use the example of
an executioners in another country. I thought we were talking about
murderers, not executioners. Don't you know the difference?

Nev..
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Didn't you just answer the exact opposite of the question asked?

P

 

We are talking about killers, and the defining differences between the
different types of which murderer is only a subset of the conversation.


G-S

 

We're talking about murderers.

Nev..
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"> That's all very good, and not the first time that you've provided a list

Only if there is doubt as to weather it was legal as is in suspected murder

Only when his right or perhaps motive is challenged by the state

Does every soldier have

If a crime aginst humanity is claimed, yes

Whenever there is any doubt, or perhaps reasonable doubt that their actions
were not sancioned by the state a court will have to detirmine weather it
was or was not murder.

Capt. A. L.

 

Obviously the differance is the execuitoner has not been found guilty of
murder, both have killed but only the one found guilty of murder is a
murderer.

Capt. A. L.

 

"> We're talking about murderers.

Please explain to as all how you define murderers?
What quality in a killer detirmines in your mind that he/she is a murderer?
If is not, only the court that detirmines if a killer is or is not a
murderer, who or what else does?

Capt. A. L.

 

But you have said repeatedly that a court must decide in every single
case to determine if a killing is unlawful or not. Be consistent.
Either they do or they don't.

Nev..
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