Anyone for chicken?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 28, 2006.

  1. Eh?

    Since when? I'd have thought the weight of history would be against you
    on that one.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 29, 2006
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  2. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    "PC"?

    Do you know what that means?

    I know the road and don't see how he could have avoided seeing something
    going on. Whether he could have avoided it or not is another matter.

    I don't think he's 'innocent' and don't see why the tax payer should
    bail him out (assuming it's the tax payer who fund the criminal injuries
    compensation scheme). If it's the insurers I don't see why my insurance
    premiums should be inflated by this sort of situation.

    Fact- accidents happen and somethings you should either insure against
    yourself or take as a risk.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  3. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    Read what happened- the child ran out in front of a van, not the bike.
    Cleared the van and got collected by the bike.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  4. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    Absolutely, yes.

    See other post for my reasons; he's not suing the boy's family he's
    going after the criminal injuries compensation board; which is funded by
    my tax.
    Very kind of you; I don't really give much of a damn either way if you
    are.

    However, to set your mind at rest I won't be placed in that situation
    since I've got a small mortgage and good life/health insurance policies.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  5. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    *clutches chest*

    How will I cope? You think I'm "thick as ****".
    If you're ignoring me why ask a question?

    I don't think he's entitled to 'compensation' against something he's not
    insured against- one way or another it'll be the general public who fund
    this and I don't think that's right.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  6. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    Of course you can. And if they're in front of me they'd better get the
    **** out of the way; especially if I'm driving the 735...
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  7. Grimly Curmudgeon

    Cab Guest

    Hmmm...

    "He had started to run across the carriageway as a van approached, but
    failed to spot it was being overtaken by the Suzuki.

    Mr Young was unable to avoid colliding with the child, and the bike hit
    him full in the chest."

    I suppose the coroner would have had the right facts to assume that the
    biker wasn't negligent.
     
    Cab, Dec 29, 2006
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  8. Grimly Curmudgeon

    Cab Guest

    Eh? He was overtaking a van, probably concentrating on the road ahead
    and the van was moving at the same time. I really don't see how the
    biker would be expected to look at the front of the van (as opposed to
    looking where he was going) to watch some stupid kid playing chicken.

    If he was overtaking a stationary parked van, then it'd be a different
    story in that he'd probably be expected to pay more attention.

    If it was a car, he may have seen the kid pulling the stunt, but I'd
    also think that his visibility in looking through a van is somewhat
    impaired (Mind you, the article doesn't say what type of van it was).
     
    Cab, Dec 29, 2006
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  9. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    I would have been scanning the side of the road as a matter of course.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  10. Grimly Curmudgeon

    Cab Guest

    You missed a bit of my post. What if the van was something like a boxed
    transit?
     
    Cab, Dec 29, 2006
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  11. Grimly Curmudgeon

    Xathras Guest

    Through the van using your X-ray vision? Okay Clark .......
     
    Xathras, Dec 29, 2006
    #51
  12. Grimly Curmudgeon

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    If you sit far enough behind a vehicle then your view of the pavement
    isn't usually obscured.

    I don't have a problem with the rider trying to recoup some of his
    losses but I don't hold with the idea that he couldn't have seen the
    lemming from a bit further back down the road.

    Of course the other alternative is that the kid didn't see the bike
    because the van obscured his view and it really was just an accident
    rather than a premeditated game of chicken. That would then exclude a
    claim being made against the criminal injuries board or whoever it is
    the claim's being made against.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Dec 29, 2006
    #52
  13. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    The road curves if it's where I think it is.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  14. Grimly Curmudgeon

    mb Guest

    Oh, so now:
    a) You're not sure where it is.
    b) You don't know where the accident occurred.
    c) You don't know in which direction it happened.
    d) Weren't there at the time.

    I have to say, it's not looking good.
     
    mb, Dec 29, 2006
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  15. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    I'm sure the kid was playing chicken; but with the van and not with the
    bike.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
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  16. Grimly Curmudgeon

    deadmail Guest

    Not 100%, no. However the road in question is pretty uniform and is a
    wide open dual carriageway for the whole of it's length; curving
    slightly for most of the way.
    No. Never claimed to. How does this vary from a) above?
    No. Never claimed to.

    No. Never said I was.
    And? I don't really care how you think it looks to be honest.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2006
    #56
  17. Grimly Curmudgeon

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I was thinking along similar lines. Can I say "ding!" here? I can? Ta.

    Ding!
     
    Pip Luscher, Dec 29, 2006
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  18. Grimly Curmudgeon

    mb Guest

    Do you not think that this (in one direction), would make a significant
    difference in the visibility of the side of the road, from behind a van?
    a) Location, b) Bit of the road.
    Is that why you're replying?
     
    mb, Dec 29, 2006
    #58
  19. There's a difference betwen an accident and a crash.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 29, 2006
    #59
  20. Probably. This is no way limits his responsibility to the biker.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 29, 2006
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