That's because you're in an argumentative mood, that's all. He was playing chicken. He'd have bunked across the road suddenly, and to gain maximum street cred, at the very last moment to enable him to clear the front of the van. This would put the kid smack in front of the bike with no warning whatsoever.[QUOTE] According to the article, the road is a 70 zone. The rider was doing less than 50. If in lane 2, coming up a *slightly* slower moving van in lane 1, then the potential blind spot could have been extremely long lasting.[/QUOTE] *ding* Or rather, in this case: *splat* More likely if the rider saw the kids, he'd have disregarded them as it just isn't reasonable to expect one to hurl across a dual carriageway at zero notice.[QUOTE] Even if had seen the kids at the roadside, I think it unreasonable to say he should have expected them to run out in front (and past) the van.[/QUOTE] Thou art the new VOR. How does it feel?