Anyone else up watching things unfold?

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

PoO, Mr T; the Waffen SS despised the scum and rabble in SS uniform who
guarded the camps. Sure, the Waffen SS weren't innocent of murdering
civilians in the advance/retreat through Russia, but most of the
atrocities were committed by the einsatzgruppen who followed up.

There's an element of "he would say that, though, wouldn't he?" to be
taken into account, but in an autobiog of a Waffen SS general I read
some years ago, he was quite vehement in his defence of the Waffen SS
and their generally fine fighting record. He pointed out that the camp
SS was recruited from the military and civil prisons and rejected any
notion that Waffen SS troops were involved in any way.

Fwiw, it had a ring of truth about it.

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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Sooper.

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I'd add here that the Waffen SS committed numerous atrocities against
both civilians and military.

If you want an insight into the way the SS carried out the
exterminations, then there are several masterly works on the subject[1].
Suffice to say that the camp SS was *not* entirely recruited as yoiu say
above.

That said, the Waffen SS were probably the finest soldiers *ever* to go
into battle. There may have been soldiers as good, but I think you'd
have to go back to ancient Roman, Greek and Spartan times to find an
equivalent.

Good or bad, the Waffen SS's fighting record speaks for itself. They
were absolutely incredible, and (given modern materiel) they would
probably kick seven shades of shit out of *any* army presently on the
planet.

I now await Weggy's and Dodger's[1] comments.

[1] I have one here in this room, but I can't find the damn volume right
now....
[2] I regard their opinions, on this sort of thing, quite highly,
although it may make them blush to hear it said.

 

Sounds like overkill to me.

<Looks round>

OK, I'm not in a pub, but what follows is at a strictly man-in-the-pub
level.

You know those burglar alarms that consist of a beam of light shining
into a photocell? That go off if the beam is interrupted?

Well, suppose there were two of those, set diagonally across a level
crossing. If either beam was interrupted, it would mean either a car or
a train was on the crossing.

If there were two more, going across the railway, on either side of the
crossing, then whether those beams were broken or not would show whether
the thing on the crossing was a train or a car.

Obviously it would have to be taken over time... so if, say, there was a
period of one second during which
a) one or both of the diagonally-across-the-crossing beams was
interrupted
and
b) both the across-the-tracks beams were not interrupted
then it would be because there was a car on the crossing.

If this happened while
c) the gates of the crossing were down
then that could trigger a warning in the signal box.

OK, that's quite possibly bollocks, but I'd be interested to know why.

It would certainly be a lot cheaper than turning all level crossings
into bridges or tunnels.

Heh. I only read the Torygraph when all better choices are unavailable.

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This'll go some way to explaining how you can ride the Guzzi so fast.

 

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm pushing Des to recognise that people
who run checkpoints and get hurt are to some extent the authors of their
own misfortune. It's analogous to playing on a railway and wondering why
you get electrocuted.

When I was 17, I was savvy enough to know that if I'd approached a
checkpoint manned by Lozzo, and he pointed a gun at me and shouted STOP,
stopping would be a good idea. Come to think of it, I was probably savvy
enough to know that when I was 7.

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Bear says...

Be afraid, it happened lots.

 

What's the point, eh? No, seriously, what _is_ the point?

He never recognises anything he doesn't want to, you can produce all of the
evidence that you like and, at best, he'll go quiet, more likely he'll claim
that he's still right.

So you have to ask, "Why fucking bother?"


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But that was in large part because of the massive drain on their resources
- both material and human - imposed on them by the Russian front.

 

They have a leagal obligation not to follow an order which is
illeagal/wrong... but as you say, they have to be able to justify
thier actions in front of a court martial...
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Hear hear...
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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember
(The Older Gentleman) saying
something like:

Of course. They were on a mission and being thoroughly indoctrinated
with racial hatred they saw no reason to spare the bullets when upset by
bolshie villagers, partisans or inconvenient prisoners. I've no doubt
individual commanders went too far in their zeal, but bear in mind they
weren't expecting to be held accountable later on, fully expecting their
descendants to be busy farming all that lebensraum.

Like every army, it had its fair share of nutters (perhaps more than
most).

As I say, it was hardly an objective account, but I think he was telling
the truth when he said the majority of Waffen SS wouldn't have anything
to do with it. Indeed, I recall an episode when Himmler was told to get
fucked when he wanted to use WSS units on camp duties.

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Hear hear...
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No-one said they deserve to die... the point is, if you come up to an
armed checkpoint, with people toting firearms, you have a choice...
stop and let youselves be checked out, or run the risk of giving the
impression that you are a threat... If, as a serving member of HM
Forces you percieve there to be a threat, where possible you
neutralise that threat...
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Hmmmm.... there isn;t one?

Yes, I know, he's a troll. I guess there's an element of 'dance, boi,
dance'. I'm not hoping to change his opinions, but there's a certain
fascination in seeing just *how* various people manange to out-manoeuve
him.

But if you say it's a waste of time, I'd find it hard to disagree.



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In part. Plus there was no coherent attempt to make a bomb. No
marshalling and direction of resources. Lots of factors, really.

 

The picture looks like it shows a bunch of riot police lining up to
**** the blindfolded, naked guy.

 

Er, yes. But you're the one doing the dancing.

 

Exactly. Not a good dance either.

 

Thank you, Dr. Rorschach.