Any Labour Party supporters?

dog left it lying around and he picked it up.

 

Bollox! MPs are elected on the policies and the personal impression
they put over at the hustings as much as party dogma. These aren't
always in step, so which one does the MP follow when push comes to
shove? If you want democracy then the party whips should be put up
against the wall and shot. All votes in parliament should be free, and
if a vote goes against the party dogma of the one in power at the time
hard luck, just follow the wishes of the majority, not the party.

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I have to admit that I thought you were talking crap before I read this.
Nicely put. I am now of the opinion that Ken did what he thought was
right but still should have been expelled from the party.

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To paraphrase someone I heard on the radio on Monday:

Previously, Blair pulled out all the stops to ensure Livingston
could not be Labour's candidate for Mayor. Now Blair is pulling
out all the stops to ensure that Livingston _is_ Labour's
candidate for Mayor.

 

Not true. 99% never meet the prospective candidates, or hear them
speak. The election material they publish is the party manifesto,.
with perhaps a bit of local colour

People vote for the party.

That is a system without parties at all. As such, there would be no
mandate in parliament to do business from one day to the next.

 

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sweller wrote

Them anodised bolts are not what they are cracked up to be are they?

 

It's either a vote for a no party system or a one party system, not sure
which!
Either way it is a recipe for getting nothing done, ever.

 

Dude, the bloke posts as 'YTC#1' and you don't default to humouring
him?

 

In one moment trying to keep Pres. Bush happy and the next Ken Livingston.
It certainly is a bizarre way to do business. He's more like Thatcher than
people realised.

 

Hog wrote

Doing the same job aren't they?

Had it not occurred to you that there are certain skills which are
important to bring the role regardless of political allegiance or are
you too blinkered to grasp the concept of Statesmanship? Bear in mind
though that I am not for a moment suggesting that Blur is half the
Statesman the Mad Maggie was.

 

Your fishing.

 

well exactly.

Hmm don't know about that. I've just read "one of us" by Hugo Young
(political journalist from the Guardian who died earlier this year) -
the definitive account of Maggie's time in politics. Apart from
recalling many moments from the 1980s and reminding me why I hate the
woman I did find it a fascinating insight to the workings of the
political process and the character traits needed to be a party leader.

Definitely recommended reading and also quite a counterpoint to what is
happening now with New Labour and also the Tories.

 

Bliars dad campaigned for the conservative party.

'Nuff said I think

 

Thats normal.

What I do have a diffuculty in is puting into words what I am trying to
say.

I prefere short statements, unfortunatly only I can read between the
lines.

Ask me over a drink sometime.

 

Hog wrote

Moi?

 

Insult away, most usually do.

Lets say I would never be a member of such a club.

I have been a union rep and seen the "The memebers wish this" abused. The
method of voting stinks and it puts the ability to change the rules in the
hands of a minority

The rules would never have ben changed in time, I believe he was right to
do what he did. I don't agree with the expulsion.

And if the method of showing and using a majority is wrong ??
As a member of the Labour party I was never asked for *my* vote.
As a company shareholder I am always asked.

Now, that I have to agree with.

 

And Cherie's dad was Alf Garnett's sidekick.

So what?

 

Nonsense. The party in the "majority" (a debateable state in our
mockery of a first-past-the-post system) puts up the motions in
parliament, and the house votes on them. So only those things that the
ruling party hierarchy is interested in will be put up, thus cooking the
books in their own favour from the start. For the most part the ruling
party MPs will follow the party line and the ruling party's wishes are
granted, but if there's a contentious vote then a significant minority
of the ruling party's MPs will vote against it and the cabinet will have
to think again. Why should a party be frightened of dissent; surely it
provokes debate, and voting a motion out is surely a valid reflection of
the wishes of the elected parliament. A parliament stuffed with yeah-
saying sheep and party whips will finish up with the sort of chaos the
late and un-lamented Maggy T (spit!) left behind.

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