Another wonderful obit

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Feb 13, 2008.

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    TOG@Toil Guest

    Thanks. Wrong paper! My bad.
     
    TOG@Toil, Feb 17, 2008
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    Ace Guest

    Me too, so thanks for posting to bring this to my notice. Seems like a
    nice thread to watch.
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    Ace, Feb 17, 2008
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Handbrake didn't hold then?
     
    Timo Geusch, Feb 17, 2008
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    peter Guest

    Indeed. After my visit to Bletchley Park this week I find it
    particularly interesting.
     
    peter, Feb 17, 2008
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    In fairness, older British ships did tend to be rather vulnerable to
    plunging fire.
     
    Pip Luscher, Feb 17, 2008
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Also radar, which enabled fighters to be concentrated. Britain was
    virtualy alone in actually having an effective radar 'force
    multiplier'. Others had radar but didn't use it effectively.

    I read/saw something on this recently, but can't remember where.
    Possibly Wikipedia.
     
    Pip Luscher, Feb 17, 2008
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    Kim Bolton Guest

    I'm not so sure it was new, as much as a development of what the Brits
    did towards the end of WWI, with attacks combining tanks, infantry,
    artillery, and air support acting in a coordinated way.

    What made the development blitzkreig as we know it a possibility was
    the development of suitable radios and message enciphering, allowing
    fluid control of tactics. Plus the development of Aufragetaktik -
    empowering all and any down to private soldier to act towards mission
    success.
     
    Kim Bolton, Feb 18, 2008
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    Kim Bolton Guest

    Coventry was a radio-navigation-aided (X-Gerate) night raid; most of
    the Battle of Britain was fought in daylight without radio-navigation
    aids.
     
    Kim Bolton, Feb 18, 2008
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    Kim Bolton Guest

    I did read somewhere that instead of the famous salvo at twenty miles
    sinking the Hood, the captain had ordered full speed towards the
    Bismark simply in order to close the range in order to take shell-fire
    on the ship's sides rather than on the (less-well-armoured) deck.

    Unfortunately, it didn't work out.

    Hood was the last of the WWI type about which it was said that
    "There's Something Wrong With Our Bloody Ships" - as they blew up one
    by one under bombardment.
     
    Kim Bolton, Feb 18, 2008
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    CT Guest

    And never forget that ignoring a pooh-pooh is a fatal error. A
    regiment once had to be disbanded after its morale was destroyed by
    pooh-pooh.
     
    CT, Feb 18, 2008
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  11. Recent discoveries while diving these ships show that although the ship
    itself was heavily armoured the gun turrets weren't. This plus the
    improper and against regulation stock piling of shells and cordite in
    the gun turrets and at staging point from magazine and gun to facilitate
    rapid fire lead to a catastrophic chain reaction. When the lighter
    armoured gun turret was hit this exploded the stock piled cordite. This
    blew through the safety 'flash fire' traps and ignited the next stock
    pile of ammunition right back to the magazine.

    Thin armour at a critical point and dodgy handling procedures.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Feb 18, 2008
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  12. Piss off.
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    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    "A scone and tea at half past three
    Makes the day a little brighter
    Keep your cakes and fancy tarts
    And stick them up your shiter."
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 18, 2008
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Beatty, IIRC.
    If we're talking about Jutland, ISRT there being something about
    anti-flash doors on the ammunition hoists being left open, too.
     
    Pip Luscher, Feb 19, 2008
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  14. Oh yes. That to was discovered too.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Feb 20, 2008
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