Another question - Air Jackets?

Maybe you can elaborate then the on the logical connection you intended
the reader to draw?

Nev..

 

That safety devices are pretty useless unless they are foolproof in their
operation, and that some measures promoted in the best interests of
motorcyclists, such as disclocks, can (inadvertently) cause more problems
than they solve.

Theo

 

Not if you do as I suggested, make a bracket to put the lock on, with a
microswitch in series with start button

 

Yup, make it more complicated. An old rule of computer programming that
probably applies to most things, is that the more complicated the solution
to a problem, the more likely it is to fail.

Theo

 

But a disk lock is not a safety device, and just for the sake of the
argument, even if it was a safety device, it's foolproofness or lack of
(as per your observations) does not interfere with it's primary function.

Nev..

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:54:08 +0800

THe only definition I could find that made sense was one that called
it external rather than internal injury, and had strong implications
it was limbs rather than torso.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:28:21 +1100

Depends on the primary function, but I bet if you talk to any
engineers whose job it is to design safety equipment they'd hit you
over the head with the nearest safety device for saying that...

Because if it can be used wrongly it will be, and if it is and thus
doesn't do the job, then it's not good enough.

Hence all the work on failsafes and one way fastenings and height of
buttons and so on.

And hence all the stories about how when someone doesn't get the
design right Bad Things happen.

Part of the design requirements for any safety device is that it can't
be used wrongly. Or at least you have to try Very Hard Indeed.
Because if it can be misused then that misuse will interfere with
primary function.

A non-safety device, like a disklock, is a different thing. Poor
design idea really. Which is why I much prefer my grip lock.

Zebee

 

Stopped me falling off all the time.

 

Well SOME people appreciate the Georges of this world...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_Out_Bunny

GWD

 

Arguments are in room 302. Gerry is waiting there for you.

Theo

 

The first reference to soma that came to my mind was the drugs fed to the
cloned masses in Huxley's Brave New World.

Theo

 

I do

 

Now that doesn't look bad!

Ta for the link Zebee


G-S

 

Yah... that sounds like work... not likely to happen


G-S

 

I'm not sure what he's saying but I'd say (based on my experience and
that of the other owners I've know who've used them) is that eventually
you will forget it's attached and ride off with it still attached.

At that point there is a fair chance of causing fairing/tank/handlebar
damage.

I had to balance the chance of getting the bike stolen (anecdotely low
since I've have bikes for 30 years and not had one stolen) and the
chance of dropping the bike due to the disk lock (high since I done that
3 times in 12 months).

So... my view is that the cost benifit ratio for disk locks doesn't
stack up.


G-S

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:59:50 +1100

The freight might be an eye-waterer, may as well see if they have
anything else small and light you want to buy and fiddle to see what
you can get for the same freight cost.

I can report the griplock works well on the Mighty Scooter, needing
one of the padding sets that comes with it. Holds the throttle still
and the brake on. It does only seem to fit one way up, and working out
which way to turn the key to unlock it can be a bit scary till you are
used to it....


Zebee

 

Seems it is a Kiwi product and you can buy from there or in Oz - see
http://www.grip-lock.com/Where-To-Buy/

For example, www.securebike.net has it for NZ$99 which seems to include
freight.

ausseibiker will do it for AU$99 inc freight
http://www.aussiebiker.com.au/catalog.php?category=Bike Security



Cheers

 

Fair enough. Still not sure why you started talking about disk locks
into the discussion about safety gear though.

Nev..

 

Theo may have thought about the safety of having no-one steal his beloved
bike
Whereas you Nev, have probably got such a crappy bike, that you don't give a
stuff if anyone steals it
And then again, no-one would probably want to steal it
So you are safe

 

Yes I know all that, been there - done that, and its all well and good,
but still completely irrelevant to any discussion about safety gear or
air jackets.

Nev..