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Hey, that's cheating, anything you catch with that will be disqualified.

 

I wasn't.

'fraid not.

 

you hide it well.

 

In it's simplest form: while not acting for a sovereign government,
targeting civilians (in their daily lives) for murder.

Yes a soverign government can also do this, most South American regimes
in the past century for instance! that's not terrorism though, it's
totalitarian and abuse of executive power.

One might extend it to include targeting the police and army of a
democratically elected government for murder where that country has an
effective rule of law with seperation of state and judicial power.

Oh I could go on.....but I wont

Are you angling? there can be no comparison in those two cases, the
latter being part of an all out war between nations. That said, it might
be argued the French could have been more effective against the Nazis
post invasion had they all taken peaceful civil action and had half the
country not sold out. I wasn't there so I'm not sure!

The IRA have proved the folly best in Europe, plunging their Nation into
chaos for over 80 years but only getting anywhere you would want to go
by adopting peaceful protest. Had they maintained that stance at the
start of the modern troubles the situation might have been largely
squared within a decade.

Of the ANC I would say that while some of it's agitators tried very hard
to avoid terrorism others did not. Regardless of all the bollocks piled
on Mandela they have dirty hands. Again they might have got further
faster by thinking more about Ghandi and the effectiveness of peaceful
civil action. That said the SA blacks were not and are not a single
movement. They have done really well in reconcilliation post events
though I agree, in fact despite lack of economic reform it's one of the
few things in the modern world to make me optimistic.

One cannot pile too many credits on Ghandi BTW. Started well but became
an utter shambles.

 

What? the IRA were completely counterproductive for almost the whole of
Ireland. They plunged the North into sectarian war and the south into
political terror and economic suicide.

 

I do wonder that if WE hadn't declared war on Hitler the USA might be
under the old Confederate flag.

 

Bollocks. That's just a definition you've made up that happens to suit
a particular argument. If you want to carry on arguing a point,
recognise that all you're talking about is semantics - most people
would not agree with your definition, so would always mean something
different.

Not true, at least as far as the chronology is concerned. The original
IRA (together with the ICA and others) did indeed acheive at least
part of their aim with the formation of the Free State in 1921.

The 'modern' troubles of the last 40-odd years fomented by the Provos
et al. are an entirely different kettle of fish.

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See other post.
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Oh I think it is a pretty widely held belief

The Free State as you call it was brought about by terrorism and created
a state which imposed terror on many of it's citizens for decades. I
didn't say terrorism achives nothing, just nothing good.

 

Call it a "concious image alteration post-school".

 

Wonder no longer - the two events were seperated by about 100 years..

Phil

 

I tried that - the main bully wiped the floor with me. Several times.
And I got into trouble for starting fights.

Indeed.

Phil

 

Not if he was hypothesising that if Hitler had stolen a march and not been
defeated, because we hadn't gone to war, would the US have rallied to his
side and taken on the leanings of the National Socialist party, thus
reverting back to the "good old days" of the Confederates in the South...

Dave

 

Maybe. But I don't think even Hog would construct a chain of
suppositions that flimsy..

Phil.

 

"Soccer?" WTF is that?

 

Yes, we all know how important states rights were to Hitler! I'm sure
that's how it would've gone down!

 

It's the most popular ball sport played in America.

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IIRC Some sort of girls game with a lot of play acting when 'injured'.

Men play rugby or rugby league.

HTH.

 

The American Bund was actually rather popular in the US back then and
your theory is certainly one of the many possible outcomes had the dice
been cast with a sideways twist.