And so it begins...

Slim and none, eh?

 

Oist says...

I wasn't on about speed, more the pollution generated by riding about
just for fun. Its not much granted, but if it saves just one life...

Words fail me.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

"But anti-smoking campaigners Ash Scotland said most licensees in places
like New York and Ireland, where bans have already been introduced, had
not lost money and the ban had widespread popular support. "


Utter lies.

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So the obvious answer is that you have to draw a legislative line
somewhere between allowing everyone to do anything no matter how much
it harms someone else and allowing no-one to do anything if it even
slightly harms someone else. Oist would draw the line somewhere
between biking in public and and smoking in public - as would I. You
would draw it differently. You might disagree with us, but our point
is every bit as valid as yours.

 

There are a *LOT* of alcoholics in Elgin. However it is a nice place
and the roads are superb.

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"Empty pubs" and "Scotland" don't really get mentioned much in the same
sentence. The thought is too ludicrous.

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I always thought "stopping" killed, or, as demonstrated by some Fifers
at the weekend, stopping by way of rolling your car into a large ball of
flaming metal.

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Colin Irvine says...

You missed my point. A blanket ban would effect all pubs, where as
having smoking and non smoking pubs would give people a choice as to
wether they wanted to sit in a smoky pub or not. A blanket ban gives no
choice.

 

Absolutely. That's why I support it. So I don't think I did miss your
point. I'm merely saying, and explaining why, a different point of
view is equally sustainable - that it is not illogical (as you
appeared to be implying to Oist) to seek a blanket banning of smoking
and yet not seek a blanket banning of motocycles.

 

The only way to make a decent living running a pub is to sell loads of food,
lunchtimes and to famblies at the weekend. Publicans are in the top three
for bankruptcy.

 

Out of interest, who tops the poll?

 

I wouldn't use "far".

I'm not convinced I'd use "superior", either, tbh.

 

That's fair comment - providing that everyone "can" use roads properly,
and that there are no other outside influences which can affect a
situation - e.g. 2 riders come across a suicidal pheasant at 30 mph -
swerve round the bird and miss the oncoming children on ponies. 2 riders
doing eek mph bounce off pheasant into horses leaving children smeared
all over the road.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't speed - hell life would be boring if we
all obeyed every rule and law, but to say that good fast driving on a
public road never killed anyone is bollocks. We take responsability for
our own lives when we speed, and in some ways we take on the
responsability of other peoples lives too.

I've made stupid decisions in the past, as I would imagine most people on
here have. If everyone who has made stupid decisions is not entitled to
an opinion surely this would lead to a nanny state with only the self
righteous able to make decisions on behalf of the rest of us.

I'm of the opinion that people can do what they wish with their lives
providing it is not detrimental to other people. If a publican wishes to
have a smoking bar, and his staff are happy to work in that environment
then it should be open to smokers. Non smokers should be entitled to go
to a non smoking bar.

 

I think it's small builders. I'd have to ask Sarah, and she's snoring like
a pig atm. A lot of building/double glazing bankruptcies are cowboy outfits
shedding their debts IIRC, and opening for business the following week with
the same office, staff, phone number, but a different name.

 

Did you write that yourself?

 

Possibly. I take a more relaxed view. I've seen homosexuality made
legal and drunk driving made illegal - and applauded both moves. I'd
like to see public smoking made illegal and private heroin use made
legal. I don't see any wedges, so don't worry about thin ends. Swings
and roundabouts, mate.

Anyway, I didn't join in to argue the pros and cons of smoking - I was
merely accusing mups of using one of the oldest argumantative tricks
in the book, except I can't remember the posh name for it!

 

Bear wrote

Might I refer the 'onourable gentleman to all the propaganda sections in
all the gummints in all the countries in all the world since time began
and ask him to reconsider his use of the terms "last couple of decades"
and "British"

 

Bear wrote

I am not that sure we are really. From what I can see all over the
White Man's world we seem to be in the control of Centrist Right New
Christian Alliance. Obviously the Merkins have a slightly different
interpretation of Centrist Right than the rest of us but within their
frame of reference it is bang on the mark. It is the Christianity bit
that worries me. I thought we had shed the church 40 years ago.