He was in America, so he'd have been deeply in the shit if he'd planted the wanker. Mind you, I suppose he could've been arrested for ""Assault with a deadly smelling weapon" or "Intent to make him look a ****", but I don't think the septics have got quite that far. Yet. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
I was fucking fuming when I watched it. I just blame the fucking septic cunts. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
And it's turned the Septics into the most hated people on the planet. And with good reason. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
Is it just because you happen to be a septic, or just because you've been "over there" that makes you think you know all the answers (but never actually say what the answers are) and no-one else in the world can see what's going on over there? All the talk of "classified" this and "National security" that, is total bullshit, you've just been brainwashed like most of your countrymen into believing you're never wrong simply because "You're an AMERICAN". Your compatriot idiotically shot at targets he hadn't identified properly, somewhat like another fighter pilot did in Bosnia when he shot down two Blackhawk helicopters) and now he's a fucking hero? Get real dude. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
It must climb from the ground up then, because for sure it's an attitude your countrymen have projected whether you like it or not. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
Champ says... In fact, I've never met anyone quite so "Essex" as Ben, in the nicest possible way of course.
Beav says... What state is Basildon, Essex in[1]? [1] Answers of "a shit state" nature will not be accepted.
Strangely I don't know the address of every one who posts on here, so you can just **** off. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19
Beav says... There's been enough reference to Ben 'coming home' and his hometown in the past, it's not that hard to pick up where people originate from round these parts.
Odd you should say that. Perhaps you're only meeting one or two who aren't like that? I worked (as a civvy) at Dept National Defence (Canada) for a while in the early 1990s, on a joint Canada-USA project involving several different military branches. My experience was much different than yours. Admittedly it was 15 years ago now, but it was during the Gulf War, and the attitudes then don't seem to have changed much today. As a generalization, I've found that the general cultural attitudes of the militaries I've worked with aren't just ingrained, they are almost set in stone. The people we got from the USA, usually colonels on up to 1 or 2 star generals, were invariably gung-ho, in your face idiots who thought that shooting first and don't bother asking questions was the right way to go. Their arrogance was astounding, even to their Canadian counterparts. Their juniors mirrored this attitude, of course, as not agreeing with your superiors in such matters was, and probably still is, a career ending move. Oddly enough, the less actual combat experience they had, the more gung-ho they were. The guys who had actually been shot at (Vietnam, Korea, several other conflicts) were much more willing to try to find alternatives. However, these folks were often junior to the officers who didn't have any combat experience but who had stayed home and played the political games necessary to get promoted. It was these idiots who were in charge then, and from what few contacts I have left those juniors and younger senior officers have since been promoted and are mostly still in charge now, and they still have that "shoot first" type of attitude. So I'd say in this case the analysis of the "shoot first" attitude does seem to start at the top and filter down, and seems endemic to the US military way of thinking. This may explain the continued and frequent friendly fire "mistakes" by these yahoos, which certainly puts their other "achievements" in perspective. It might be that, as an American, what you call "gung ho" and what others call "gung ho" are different things. As such, it might be helpful if you, and your military counterparts, would learn from others rather than continuing to shoot your allies in the back, as the USA has been doing at least since Vietnam and in every conflict since.
<cough> You forgot http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9803/14/italy.cable.car/index.html but I don't suggest you read it, cos then you might be tempted to follow it up, and that would be *bad* for your blood pressure.
