[QUOTE="Grimly"] Rotten selfishness.[/QUOTE] There is a lot of confusion between the Libertarian Party and the Tea Drinkers. Although the Libs (like myself) desire limited government and a closely regulated tax system, it is bound up in notions of personal freedom. Yes that includes the freedom to sink or swim by your own abilities. The Tea lobby demand limitations of Fed government and taxation but come from a very different direction and somewhat from within the Republican party. They also want to see the country ruled within the Constitution and Bill of Rights and remove the ability of the Supreme Court/Fed ability to ride over it. In all these things you have to remember however that America is 50 different countries and in matters of "House" and Party elections they can be as different as France, Britain and Germany. For instance Republicans and the attitude to illegal immigration varies hugely across states. So really you have matters of Congress, Senate and Presidency X 50. It is quite as complex politically as the EU, so considering in parallel to UK politics leads you astray. Then add in a considerable consideration of race with the three main groups caucasian, black and hispanic voting along racial lines. But they are also each fractured down Democrat, Republican (and Libertarian) lines. Finally add in the Jewish and East Asian/Oriental groups, who are typically successful, numerous and have their own inscrutable agendas.