AMA Pro Racing Rules

I'm not trying to demonize anyone, all I'm saying is, enough is fucking
enough. Jeeze, they've demanded a bunch of different deals and then
turned them down only to seek something else. Now they don't like
shorter races, but need a larger fuel tank, then bitch about 16.5"
wheels and more closer/cheaper to stock mods?? Sounds like he's pissin'
in someone's boot and saying it's raining to me and I seriously doubt
Proracing will view it much differently. If Harris, Blank,
Vanderfunkinstien, or whothefukever doesn't/don't, or aren't going to
race so be it, hell, given how the economy is fucking up fast and
picking up speed who could blame any factory for not racing next year?
The business climate which will directly effect EVERYTHING is so
uncertain that no matter who is in charge, or whatever rules we have
racing will more than likely be substantially diminished in one way, or
another, if not in all ways. However, I bet somebody will find a way to
race next year and maybe those guys shouldn't overlook that...

 

So you don't demonize anyone, and then proceed to rip the factories a
new one, as always, your usual one-sided, anti-OEM, pro-DMG
presentation. Tom, you ARE a piece of work...

 

If that's how you need to read that, ok, but it was not, nor given
what's happened of late, my intention to disparage anyone. This
bickering is like arguing over the size of the volleyball court on the
Titanic. Somebody better start thinking about bailing out the ship,
either that, or shine it on and get in a lifeboat...

 

Oh please. You say, "all I'm saying is, enough is fucking enough",
with which I absolutely agree. But then you go on to say, "Jeeze,
they've demanded a bunch of different deals and then turned them down
only to seek something else. Now they don't like shorter races, but
need a larger fuel tank, then bitch about 16.5" wheels and more closer/
cheaper to stock mods?? Sounds like he's pissin' in someone's boot and
saying it's raining to me and I seriously doubt Proracing will view it
much differently. If Harris, Blank, Vanderfunkinstien, or
whothefukever doesn't/don't, or aren't going to race so be it". That's
all totally one-sided condemnation of the OEM position, and where have
you said anything negative about what DMG is and has been doing?

Again that's true, but where is you critism of DMG for their part in
this? You crapped on MIC for not having rules and classes for their
theoretical series a few months ago, but now that we have to sit yet
another month for DMG to actually fill out their picture you say
nothing.

The point Harris seemed to be making was that the rules proposed don't
necessarily make racing cheaper, at least at the sharp end of the
stick. His guys are telling him the spec tire and fuel structure will
actually make those items more expensive overall, and having to buy
new wheels at 17" is more expense, given that the current SB tires
produced by Dunlop are 16.5s. And he also makes the point that what
DMG has put out so far doesn't even confirm that the ASB tires will be
slicks and not DOTs, just as an example of how much they don't know.
And all this supposedly will be cleared up 2-3 weeks before the
scheduled Daytona tire test, which leaves no time at all to negotiate
further if there are unpleasant surprises. And given DMG's track
record, what are the chances that there won't be any?

Anyway, there is no question at all that if it was the old AMA
operating exactly as DMG has done you'd be having a field day ripping
them to shreds. But with France at the helm your position is that the
factories should just accept whatever it is DMG proposes without
complaint or bail and move on. I guess even a chronic liar with no
credibility has a right to his opinion...

 

I'll just toss this one in.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081104ar1.htm

With Yamaha US buying equipment from the Yamaha WSBK team last season
and Ben Spies, who has won some AMA Superbike races in his time, having
ridden the Yamaha WSBK machine now, the natural question might be this:
could that Yamaha win races in the US?

Yamaha Superbike riders Eric Bostrom and Jason DiSalvo were winless in
'08.

"It's a very good motorcycle," Spies said emphatically about the 2008
ex-Haga R1 he rode. "I don't understand why it wasn't more competitive
in the US."
----

So. Eric and Jason weren't good enough? Or the team weren't good enough
to setup and race what they'd bought? Or What they got wasn't what they
thought they'd got? Or they bought the base parts but then had to modify
or re-modify the bits due to the rule differences? Or what?

"Yamaha US buying equipment from the Yamaha WSBK team". Yet again, how
is this sort of thing going to happen when the rules show considerable
differences? Same for Honda. Ten Kate will sell you a race bike and if
you're not competing directly with them, they'll sell you a replica. But
will they sell you a bike to US rules?

Note also, Suzuki and Yamaha have new bikes to develop for 2009. We
don't know at the moment who's doing this work for Alstare and the two
UK Suzuki teams. I'm guessing that the '09 bike Spies/Sykes have been
riding is mostly built by Yamaha Italia and not Yamaha Japan. So where
does that leave Suzuki-Yamaha US? If they can't simply get ready to go
race bikes from Japan and they're still not sure what it is they're
building to, why bother. Why not just take a rain check for a year.

On the wheel size thing. John Laverty won the BSB privateers cup on a
Superstock spec 1098R. For the first third of a year they were using 17"
wheels on Pirelli European Superstock tyres. The team were good enough
to get top 10 finishes. So what were the US Superstock 1000 Dunlops
like?

On Homologation. Guess what, the 2009 1098S is actually an 1198. Which
means it's as good a platform to create a 1098RS as the 1098R was. So
who's going to build the AMA Ducati team and can they get a good enough
rider?

 

Yes, in the sense that all the bits that are different are bits you'd
throw away if you were building an SBK. Ducati won European Superstock
and World Superbike this year. With the rules going to 3000 build for
2010, they need the main production road bike to have all the bits they
will need for the race bikes and can't change within the rules. It's
what they've been doing for decades now. Last year's RS is this year's
R, is next year's S.

John Hackett has been building fast Ducatis for years now. Michael
Rutter is not exactly at the peak of his game. They managed to win a BSB
race and finish 6th in the championship as first non-premier team. It
can be done. The evolving AMA rules and messing about from the other
manufacturers may be playing into a private Ducati team's hands.

Isn't there going to be a US based Ducati team in WSB next year?

Thinking about that whole 17" wheel thing and making it cheap for
Privateers. That is bollocks isn't it? If you can't afford a few sets of
aftermarket wheels, you really shouldn't be racing in the top Superbike
class, no? And if you're buying several sets of aftermarket wheels, it
makes little difference if they're 17" or 16.5".

 

Quite so. Christ, when I ran club level endurance in the UK I had
four sets of wheels - as you say, if you have to buy extra sets of
wheels, it doesn't matter what size they are. And to be even remotely
serious you need a minimum of a set for wets, a set for inters, and
two sets for slicks. There's plenty of club racers who have at least
that amount.

 

Quit being a monumental schmuck and if you're going to quote don't
selectively snip, 'kay? I mean, that's so Nusbaumian, oh wait!?

I wrote, "If Harris, Blank,

That's a NO sided statement and a hard fact, it even offers an out if
anyone so desires and TBH I wouldn't be surprised if some use it too..

Dude, I think it fairly safe to say everyone involved hasn't been on
their best behavior, but if they're gonna race, fine, if not, that's
cool too, but let's just get down to it instead of this anal bickering
that may serve an individual's purpose, but does nothing to move the
process forward..

Back in March when I said the economy, or lack of it will drive this
deal I had no idea it would get as bad as it's fixin' to, but as
uncertain as everything is people still need to plan and if there's an
OEM, or two that have cold feet, or are unhappy, maybe they should take
a walk, hang back, or however they want to spin it, but just do it and
let the process move on..

If the MIC wants to race, great, they should go for it. If Suz wants to
race in AMA, fine, if not, or somewhere else, that's OK too. If you
want to go sometime, or watch, cool, if not, oh well. That's how I'm
dealing with this from now on, you do what you need to do, just do
yourself a favor, back off the name calling, as all it really offers
you is further isolation..

Again, if they wanna be involved they need to get involved and by that
I mean give a good faith statement that they'll be there next March, if
not, all their whining over what is really nothing, well, means
nothing..

Dude, this is how it works, when I was captive at the shop I found your
repetitive verbose rants and propensity to call anyone that dared
disagree with your myopic views names mildly amusing, but now days my
time is mine and you're comin' off a little too creepy for comfort.
Anyway, I don't have a computer in my face all day anymore, nor do I
need to kill time. Consequently, if you want to discuss these issues I
will share what little I may have when I find the time, if it's your
usual name calling, or crazy blame assigning bullshit you'll have to
"converse" with other's, though offhand I don't know who that would be.
Anyway, be advised..

Oh, I almost forgot, remember the other day when you said something
about thinking of moving to East Texas for a Sista', or something?
Well, I guess that post got E-passed around and it seems like you
surprised a few folks who've either had past dealings with you, or lurk
the group, though probably not how you think. It was pretty funny too,
but it wasn't so much the Texas thing, or an involvement with a
minority, it was the chic, you see, for "some" reason they thought you
were gay... ;-)


Go Gators!

 

Sorry to upset your paradigm but it wasn't me, though I did comment on your
Nicky Hayden Look-A-Like contest. Cults of personality are way creepy.

 

No, you cut a sentence in half, but trust me, I understand..

How much they race is dependent of their ad money and if you haven't
noticed, money's kinda' tight these days..

Wow! You must have your tin-foil hat on backwards..

I thought it was gas tanks and tires this time? Guess not, so now it's
what? Class rules? Which class? You mean the great circle class? Where
you demand one thing, then demand something else until you get back to
where you started?

This'll really fuk yer day up, weren't none of them dudes, but ya'
can't deny it was pretty damn funny. Heh, just wished I'd of thought of
it!

Oh yeah, you prolly need to work on your reading comprehension, it
pretty much suks...



Go Gators!

 

Nah, I knew there was a better chance my IRA will re-juvinate than
anything like that ever happening..

Trust me, if I'd of come up with it, I for sure would've come out with it too!
In the context of misdirection it was funny as hell and it had little,
or nothing to do with Buttbomb's sexuality, whatever that may, or may
not be, it was a classic "caught ya' looking the other way thing."
People who can't laugh at life, as well as themselves, or think other's
are conspiring against them if they do, may have an issue, or few. Yes,
I jerk his pompous chain occasionally, hell, somebody's got to do it,
if not, just think...

 

If only there was a market for batshit crazy you could bottle yourself..

I had a good time and thanks for the yuks, but I'm headin' down south
fishing for a while, talk amongst *yourself*, but whatever you do, stay
crazy! (like there's a chance of anything else)


Go Gators!

 

No, I did not admit to being part of "those" general discussions.

Regarding your usage of "Eurofag": I'll admit I was not aware of the 'street
definition'.

 

In the grand scheme of things your political viewpoint is about as
significant as the one you have on US Road racing, that is, beyond you,
not very, but what alludes you is that your past delivery's diminish
whatever message you may have to say before you even begin. Heh, if the
rule is to never shoot the messenger, then you're most definitely the
exclusion..
As far as any olive branch, I do that every so often after you've been
spanked for one of your completely over the top rants just to see if
you've finally recognized that tack isn't working out too well, though
at this point being optimistic is so far past wishful thinking it's
probably self-delusional..

The biggest stories you don't wish to discuss because they don't seem
to fit, or you can't envision them in your very narrow press release
focus of things..

And if you didn't know, MONEY, or more presently, the lack of it *is*
the focus and by the way, it pretty much always has been too, though
these days it's moved beyond critical and could very easily become
terminal. Events such as this, even/especially though they pertain to
cars, don't bode well for 2 wheeled racing;

http://www.wesh.com/automotive/17945870/detail.html

There was a similar article about the NHRA too, though I'll be dammed
if I can find it right now. The bottom line here is that this is one
aspect of trickle down economics that actually does work and I
shouldn't have to tell you that because of it's somewhat "checkered
past" 2 wheeled US road racing isn't very high up piss down mountain.
That's why it's a little curious that some OEM's would still be
haggling fuel tanks, or whatever it is they do, or don't want this time
around..

There's also some folks who strongly believe that "some" OEM's never
planned on racing next year to begin with and have done, and will
continue to do everything possible to diminish anything DMG desires
with regard to road racing, if, for no other reason, to lessen any show
room impact from those who do race. Yeah, that's a nasty little
scenario if there ever was one, but just don't think there aren't those
that are convinced of it..(BTW, I'm not convinced of much, but a
fascinating case was made for it just recently, ironically, over a case
too.;-)

Another story, or maybe I should say, non-story concerning US Road
Racing is the 1000lb gorilla nobody seems to want to talk about,
Harley-Davidson,(Buell, or MV) overlooking a large chunk of riders with
a huge brand loyalty is something only a fool would do, but according
to you they don't fit, or would soil your pure vision (Jap OEM
dominance) of road racing. So, please don't say no one will discuss
these topics, just say no one is as myopic and foolish as you..

Oh hell no, we'll take care of those 1/2 ass injuns (semiholes) when
the time comes, this week (I wish/pray/hope) we're paying full
attention to the Ole Ball Coach and those 'Gcocks from SC! Spurrier's
revered in these parts, but in reality he's just bringing a bunch of
chickens to the swamp for supper. GO GATORS!!

Dude, I'm a schmuck just like you, I may get an inside POV every now
and then and if it doesn't breach a confidence I'm not above sharing,
but the difference is I know I'm just one voice among many and it's not
my life's mission to convert (or in your case, browbeat) anyone to
anything. However, I do take exception to guys that are so very full of
themselves there's absolutely no room for anything else. Yeah, I said
guys, because you are far from the first pompous douchebag I've seen
that was convinced their voice the final word for US M/C racing. Not
surprisingly, you're doing about as well as they did when someone
actually took the time to take their excluding, condescending and
elitist bullshit to task. However, if you ever actually survive an
original thought, please, by all means share, but if it's the same
OEM/Carruthers-Abrams drivel re-wrapped in your acerbic and verbose
style spare me, as I already have whole list of things that I don't
have the time, or the inclination to get involved with...


T3



I believe the only threat gay marriage poses is that it may change the
content of country music forever...

 

Dude, either jump, or get down off the roof, Wow!

 

Howard, case in point...

 

So Yamaha announce Bostrom and Hayes to race in AMA Superbike on the new
R1 "Prepared by Yamaha Factory Racing".

There's been some talk that Yamaha Italia and GSE Yamaha will be working
together with Yamaha Japan to produce the bikes. So will Yamaha US take
advantage of that and use the same basic bike and how many changes will
be needed for the AMA regs?

BTW. When is the Daytona tyre test?

 

<snip>

What are you thinking posting relevant information? Don't you know
this thread is only to be used for name calling and bickering?

-Dirt-

 

In about 3 weeks, too early if you ask me, I liked it better when it
was right after new years...

 

3 weeks. So will anyone turn up? Does anyone know what they're really
supposed to be building and testing?