[QUOTE] Maybe you're just a poor communicator. Anyway points to address: * you said you reckoned racing would be cheaper than doing track days. I reckon this is rubbish.[/QUOTE] *ding* Racing, and I haven't looked into it, and am just adding my contribtuion to the noise that is ukrm, is expensive, and involve more commitment than track days. [QUOTE] * you seem to be talking nebulously about the concept of a "team" of you, me, and Simon using a single bike, kept in my garage. Surely the only type of racing where this is reality is endurance racing, and surely endurance racing wouldn't be the ideal start for newbie racers?[/QUOTE] It's probably the "best" way of getting a lot of track time. [QUOTE] * what bike are you talking about using - one of mine? What's in it for me?[/QUOTE] The chance to point and laugh at porl; reason enough for most people.