Almax and the PCC vs MCN

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Veggie Dave, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. Veggie Dave

    Veggie Dave Guest

    I thought you lot might be interested in this. Copied from VD.
    ________________

    Complainant Name:
    Adjudication - Mrs M. Simpson v Motor Cycle News
    Clauses Noted: 1
    Publication: Motor Cycle News
    Complaint:

    Mrs Maxine Simpson, Director of Almax Security Chains Limited,
    complained to the Press Complaints Commission that two articles
    headlined “Nine out of ten locks fail MCN test†and “Gone in 37
    seconds†published in Motor Cycle News on 19 July 2006 were inaccurate
    and misleading in breach of Clause 1 (Accuracy) of the Code of Practice.

    The complaint was upheld.

    The articles tested and rated the durability of a number of heavy duty
    motorbike locks. The complainant said that the newspaper’s
    presentation of the test – which was carried out by an ex-thief –
    was misleading: while the text referred to the locks being “attacked
    with hand toolsâ€, it did not make clear that different tools and
    attack methods were used for each lock. For instance, the complainant
    claimed that the larger locks – including the Almax Series III – had
    been breached using a steel anvil, which greatly increased the level of
    attack. The rating system – which relied heavily on the time taken to
    breach the locks – was also misleading as a result. The complainant
    said the misleading impression was augmented by the use of a photograph
    of the Series III which implied that it had been breached using a
    sledgehammer on a wooden sleeper.

    The newspaper said that the purpose of the test was to recreate as far
    as possible a real-life situation. The ex-thief was given instructions
    to breach the chains in the fastest possible time using the hand tools
    available. The availability of different hand tools was clearly stated
    in the articles, which deliberately did not go into detail about the
    specific tools used in order to avoid encouraging criminal activity. The
    newspaper said that all the chains were tested under the same
    conditions: with the chain and lock on the bike, with some of the chain
    on the ground. The handheld anvil was one of the hand tools made
    available to the ex-thief but was not used to intensify the severity of
    the attack. The main article outlined that the ratings took “price and
    usability†into account as well as the time taken to breach the chain.
    The photograph was simply illustrative of the type of tools used to
    breach the locks.


    Decision:
    Upheld

    Adjudication:

    While the Commission understood the newspaper’s reticence to reveal
    precisely how each lock was breached for reasons of security, it
    concluded that the presentation of the test conditions may have misled
    readers. The reference to “hand tools†was vague, and the article
    omitted the fact that an anvil was used in some cases and not in others.
    It would have been appropriate in these circumstances for the newspaper
    to give the complainant an opportunity to respond as a result of the
    complaint to the PCC. This had not happened, however, and in the
    Commission’s view, the result was a breach of Clause 1. In addition,
    the Commission considered that the newspaper could have co-operated more
    swiftly in dealing with its enquiries.

    Report:
    74 Adjudication issued 14/12/06

    http://www.pcc.org.uk/cases/adjudica...ticle=NDI1Mw==

    'Worth pointing out that only 1% of the 30,000 complaints that go in
    front of the PCC panel are actually upheld. Clause 1 (breached) is
    "Accuracy", quel surprize!

    Bottom line is that they used an anvil with the 16mm (nmot only Almax I
    may add) chains and didn't mention it or factor it into the results then
    massaged the figures with "price and usability" to get the desired
    result.

    Little man wins, up yours MCN, next time do it properly.'
    _______________________________


    MCN in useless twats shocker...

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    Veggie Dave, Jan 7, 2007
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    Monkey Guest

    Veggie Dave wrote:
    So does the result mean that MCN have to publish an apology or what?
     
    Monkey, Jan 7, 2007
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  3. Veggie Dave

    Veggie Dave Guest

    Apparently the have to publish something, and supposedly prominently,
    but I don't think it has to be an actual apology.

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    Veggie Dave, Jan 7, 2007
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  4. Veggie Dave

    Bill Guest


    Are there people who actually think that MCN is a serious fact based
    newspaper?
    I always thought MCN and Viz were created by the same people.
     
    Bill, Jan 7, 2007
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    Tim Guest

    Tim, Jan 7, 2007
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  6. Veggie Dave

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    For some of its content yes.
    Can you point me towards another weekly paper (which I can buy in most
    supermarkets and petrol stations) where I can get results and reports
    on the previous weekends races?

    MCN is well known for using somewhat desperate measures when it comes
    to finding things to report on but it'll remain on the shelves until a
    serious competitor turns up. I know I can buy other magazines and
    papers to get results but I can't get them easily and within 3 days of
    the race taking place.

    If a competitor came on the scene then it might spark some activity
    from the MCN editorial team and an improvement in style and standards
    but it's not going to happen so I'll stick with MCN instead of the
    other option of nothing at all.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 7, 2007
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    Hog Guest

    I'm also noting that it does mean the Almax was breached without exotic
    tools. Considering the cost of the brand I wonder if it's worth the
    extra.
     
    Hog, Jan 7, 2007
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  8. Veggie Dave

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    snip>
    I don't own a chain for locking my bike. I rely on the alarm,
    immobiliser, steering lock and disc lock doing a good enough job. If
    someone wants the bike badly enough to go through that lot then that's
    ok because it's insured and it's only a bike at the end of it all.

    Obviously I'd be a bit more conscious about security if I was
    regularly parking the bike where it was likely to be nicked but I
    wouldn't be using a 10R for commuting and whatever I was using would
    be a lot less desirable. I can buy a suitable commuter for a lot less
    than a whole package of quality security kit and secure it with a £10
    chain and a padlock from work.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 7, 2007
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  9. Veggie Dave

    Veggie Dave Guest

    It was broken with the use of a lump hammer and a fucking anvil - not
    the sort of thing thieves carry around, FFS!

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    Veggie Dave, Jan 7, 2007
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    That's great if they're trying to nick it at night and in a deserted
    area. Any anti theft measure can be beaten but we have to be realistic
    about what the average thief will attempt to nick or walk past and
    look for an easier target.

    MCN would probably do more for bike security if they printed bogus
    figures suggesting that locks were more secure than they really are
    rather than trying to make out that reasonable stuff is easily
    defeated.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 7, 2007
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  11. Veggie Dave

    Hog Guest

    I suspect it's exactly the sort of thing professional T leaves carry
    around, albeit a small anvil!
     
    Hog, Jan 7, 2007
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    AndrewR Guest

    Yeah, but unless you're willing to get your van resprayed every week you're
    making a target of yourself ... much better to go for the ubiquitous "white
    Transit".
     
    AndrewR, Jan 7, 2007
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  13. Veggie Dave

    Mark Guest


    Mrs M Simpson...........

    Doh!
     
    Mark, Jan 7, 2007
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  14. This was precisely the MO used by some clown who operated out of a mews
    just north of Putney Bridge, some years back.

    Used to work for Wheelpower as a mechanic and they always had doubts
    about his honesty.

    Anyway, he had two or three vans, believe it or not, and RAC and AA
    contracts to pick up broken down bikes. He just used to wander about the
    capital, nicking bikes, and it took a long time before he was caught. I
    unremember how many bikes he actually stole, but it was several hundred.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 8, 2007
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    Molly Guest

    It's the same with PC magazines. It's not unusual for a favoured
    manufacturer [1] to be called up after a test to be asked what can be done
    to speed up the results because it didn't turn out as expected.

    [1] One that spends a lot of advertising money.
     
    Molly, Jan 8, 2007
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    RealMart Guest

    Sir might be interested in the Internet and the related 'world wide
    web', where I understand race results and reports are widely available.
     
    RealMart, Jan 8, 2007
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  17. Veggie Dave

    Veggie Dave Guest

    Wrong again. The same attack was tried with a hand held anvil and the
    attack failed.

    The chain only failed when attacked by a full sized lump hammer (two
    handed, don't know the weight) when the chain was put onto a proper
    anvil - and even then, that required the chain to have enough slack to
    be placed in position on the anvil, which in the attack I saw required
    the chain to be loose and not attached to anything. Freeze spray was
    also used in that attack, too, IIRC.

    The article in MCN clearly stated that standard hand-held tools were
    used in the attacks - a full sized anvil is not, under any definition, a
    hand-held tool.

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    Veggie Dave, Jan 8, 2007
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    Veggie Dave Guest

    Won't cut an Almax, apparently.

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    Veggie Dave, Jan 8, 2007
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  19. Veggie Dave

    Hog Guest

    Well I agree with that.
     
    Hog, Jan 8, 2007
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  20. Veggie Dave

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    What a good idea. It'd work really well if I didn't work away from
    home all week and could be sure of having access to the internet.
    That's why I like to be able to buy a weekly paper and read what's
    going on in the World of motorcycle racing.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 12, 2007
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