Air box design - VFR400

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Bummers, Jun 12, 2005.

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    What's the theory on air box design?
    Should the Air Box be sealed & have more air coming in than it could
    use at peak revs?
    How big should that air box be - is there an ideal size?
    I've noticed on a VFR list that someone made the air box larger with
    better access to cooler air then drilled out holes in the side of the
    box. - Why?

    Bummers
     
    Bummers, Jun 12, 2005
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  2. Got an acoustic guitar laying around the house? It has a sound box with
    just one big round hole in it, but that curved wooden box does the same
    job as the airbox on a motorbike. It resonates at a low frequency...

    Your plastic airbox is a Helmholtz Resonator. Google for that. Also
    google for " +flask resonance". I posted the formula
    for the frequency of a flask and explained how the volume of the box
    and the length of the inlet snorkel affected the frequency of the
    box...

    What you're trying to do with an engine that has camshaft overlap is to
    get the resonant frequency of the box in step with the exhaust system's
    adverse pressure pulses that try to push air backwards through the
    carbs during the overlap period...

    A properly designed airbox will make a pressure pulse that opposes the
    adverse pressure wave coming from the exhaust system and it will help
    to smooth out the depression in the power curve that occurs between
    5000 and 7000 RPM...

    Got access to a dyno? It would help to be able to get a baseline plot
    of the torque curve, so you can compare the effects of your airbox mods
    with the stock box...
    That seems reasonable. But the airbox does its torque curve smoothing
    task at less than half of peak RPM...

    Some people have erroneously claimed that the airbox was just a
    reservoir of extra air so the engine wouldn't run out of still air at
    high RPM. But read up on Helmholtz Resonators and see what they say...
    Yes, the ideal size is an airbox that has the right resonant frequency.
    The engineers at Honda knew what they were doing when they designed th
    box, you can't improve on it much, because it's close to ideal in
    volume for street use. If you've changed the exhaust system, and
    installed racing cams (or re-degreed the stock cams) and added bigger
    carbs and are now running the engine at a higher RPM, you might want to
    change the dimensions of the airbox and the snorkel a bit...

    If you study organ pipes, you may notice that the small diameter organ
    pipes make a higher frequency sound and the larger diameter organ pipes
    make a lower frequency sound...

    I once worked at a place where they had some large diameter ground
    level flares burning off unwanted methane gas. The diameter and volume
    of the pipes was so large the pipes would resonate at a subsonic
    frequency and annoy the neighbors. Professional civil engineers were
    mystifed at the cause of the resonance that made the ground shake. When
    I told them what I had calculated the frequency would be, they were
    embarassed because I was right and they'd missed the obvious. it was
    flask resonance at work...
    Why? because the guy had no idea that he was dicking around with a
    Helmholtz Resonator? And he arranges to duct cool air in and then
    drills holes to let air in from anywhere? Makes no sense at all...

    If you drill holes in the sides of the airbox, you change the resonant
    frequency and it just doesn't work to smooth out the midrange torque
    curve anymore. I learned that the hard way when I removed the snorkel
    from my GS-1100's airbox and made it breathe through a big hole in the
    airbox...

    My 4-into-1 exhaust sytem was able to push air backwards through the
    engine at about 6000 RPM, and the engine couldn't inhale fresh mixture,
    so it lean surged badly. You cannot re-jet for that condition, because
    the air is being pushed backwards out of the carbs. I re-installed the
    stock snorkle and the lean surging stopped...

    Tell the guy that drilled holes in his box to get some sheets of ABS
    plastic and glue them over the holes and play around with the inlet
    snarkel's length and diameter. If he wants to reduce the volume of the
    box itself and raise the resonant frequency, glue hardwood blocks
    inside the box...
     
    krusty kritter, Jun 13, 2005
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