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I don't think a "backwards" zipper always denotes a women's jacket. I
have a leather jacket that my wife brought back from Rome that has the
zipper on the "wrong" side, and it's obviously a man's jacket. I also
have a red reflective fabric Ducati vest that I use to get on to the
Navy base where I'm stationed, and it has the zipper on the wrong side
as well. If it' a women's vest, it's made for a damned big woman.

I think men's jackets produced for the European market have the zipper
pulls on the left side. (I don't know whether their womens' jackets
have the pulls on the right side, though.)

Scott Gardner

 

"Scott Gardner"
SNIP

I get it so what you are saying is it really
doesn't matter two flips WHICH side the zipper is
on as long as that jacket fits PROPERLY. Anything
else is just stupid neaderthal posturing.

Hmm, I'll ask some friends who go there often what
they've observed. I'd suggest just buying gear
that fits and let the fashion police pound sand
while arguing about which side a zipper should go
on.
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http://www.gutzleather.com/ladiesjackets.htm

If you notice, every one of those jackets are completely backwards. Even the
neck snap closure is backwards. There's a reason for that.

Not all women are Barbie Dolls....in case you're still thinking it would
have to be a big woman in your jacket. I'm betting that you think your
jacket fits you good....until you see how it fits perfectly on a woman. Look
at the case with Beemer's wife, the jacket fits her like it was made for
her. It doesn't look as if she's wearing a man's jacket.

When you say "obviously a man's jacket", what are you basing it on?

The "Euro market" is where that backwards zipper for women comes from. Don't
you watch any old British movies? 'Sense and Sensibility' or anything? The
guy who sold the jacket to your wife probably thought it was for her or
something....either that or she picked it out and didn't think to look.

I did a google search and the first several hits were talking about how
zippers are backwards for women.....even in rec.scuba. Divers even know
about it for crying out loud!

Geez, I'm surprised your wife didn't tell you about this zipper thing!

 

Brian,
I know that in the U.S., women's jackets have the zipper pulls
on the left-hand side. No one's denying that. What I'm talking about
is that the jackets that my wife and I have bought while in Europe ALL
have the zippers on the left-hand side, whether they're for men or
women.

A little Google searching confirms that yes, jackets made in
Europe and Asia generally have the zipper pulls on the left-hand side,
**both for men's and women's jackets**. In Canada, the U.S., and
South America, men's jackets generally have the zipper pull on the
right side, while women's jackets generally have them on the left
side.

Scott Gardner

 

It's really stupid to argue or even discuss. I was talking with my wife and
chuckled saying "there's a discussion going on about jackets on the
newsgroup....one guy bought a jacket with the zipper backwards...." and she
immediately said "oh, you mean a woman's jacket". I even showed her the
picture of Beemer's wife in that jacket....she pointed out that it's
tailored for a woman and showed me where the cuts were different from a man
and a woman's jacket.

It's like well known that the zipper zipping on the wrong side denotes for a
woman. Whether someone somewhere in the world is wearing them that way,
doesn't matter. I'm sure there's places where men wear skirts....doesn't
mean that if it's done here that it'll be seen any other way than a dude in
a skirt....

To be honest about it, that Joe Rocket jacket that I started to buy fit me
better than the one I ended up with. But with some adjustments to the jacket
I have and tightening straps and snaps, this one fits just as good. I
probably would've liked that other jacket better since I don't sit forward
and the one I have has a lower back on it...but I don't have to worry about
getting used to a zipper change.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other.

 

It may surprise you to hear that things in the rest of the world are
not always done as they are in Texas. I'll say this once more, as
plainly as I can...

It's generally just in North and South America that men's jackets have
the zipper-pulls on the right hand side. For most parts of Europe and
Asia, ALL garments have the zipper-pull on the left-hand side, whether
it's a man's or a woman's jacket. It's not weird, or wrong, or a
fluke - it's simply how things are done in that rather large part of
the world.

Since my vest and jacket were bought in Italy, and Beemer's jacket was
bought in Asia, I see no reason for you to keep insisting that they
must be women's jackets, simply because of which side the zipper pull
is on. If you blindly assume that "left-hand zipper" equals "woman's
jacket", than I suggest you expand your world-view a little bit.

As for "how it will be seen here", I don't really care. If someone
wants to assume I'm wearing a woman's jacket or vest because the
zipper's on the "wrong" side, that's his ignorance, not mine.

Scott Gardner

 

But how will you ever become grizzled on the mean streets if you don't
adhere to one person's ideologies?

 

You haven't shown anything that the jacket is not a woman's jacket...other
than it fits you. I don't know that it does...and who says you're not built
like a woman?

Like I said, it's stupid to discuss this.

 

Why don't you just admit that you were ignorant of the fact that there
are dozens of countries and billions of people for whom having the
zipper pull on the left side of a jacket does NOT mean that it's a
woman's jacket? And more importantly, that the three garments
mentioned in this thread come from those countries?

You say that I've shown nothing to show that my vest and jacket aren't
women's garments. Why should I? There's not the first reason to
believe that they're *not* men's jackets, except for the location of
the zipper pull. And as I've already said, the location of the zipper
pull means **exactly dick-squat** since they were bought in countries
where both men's and women's jackets have left-hand zipper pulls.

Maybe you're right - it is stupid to discuss this, because if you had
known enough in the first place to realize that men's jackets in
Europe and Asia have left-hand zippers, you wouldn't have introduced
the whole "women's jacket" foolishness into the thread to begin with.

Scott Gardner

 

ROTFL.. Still don't do Ft.Worth, do you .. chump ? What "ideaologies" you
got in mind on this one ? If the dude wants to wear a jacket made for
women, that's perfectly ok, with everyone.. Why should you care, one way
or the other ?

 

Dude, just because you wear a woman's jacket isn't a reason to take it out
on me....

It's not my fault you enjoy dressing like a woman!

 

you have to realize that Brain worries about his own perceived
masculinity and anything that might threaten it, even a zipper location.
by his thinking, a reversable jacket would mean the wearer is bi-sexual.

self-confidence and worldliness allows one not to worry about such trite
things nor to make stupid accusations. arguing with a cage monkey like
Brain is a waste of your time anyway, he'd never admit to a mistake and
refuses to learn from others.

 

I'm realizing that. He's gone from just being naive to being
willfully ignorant.

Things around the world aren't all the same as they are in the U.S.
I've pointed out his mistake regarding zipper locations, but rather
than either believing me or doing more research to confirm it for
himself, he's just sticking to his incorrect dogma. There's a huge
world out there, I hope he explores and enjoys it one day.

Scott Gardner

 

Why should I? I've already pointed out references that reversed zippers
denotes women's apparel. You haven't shown different...other than being so
insecure about your own wardrobe that you choose to fling attacks. You say
you have a men's jacket with left hand zippers, I asked what you based it
on. You still haven't said. Your wife bought your jacket, and Beemer's wife
bought his. So far, that tells me that the salespeople in those places sold
women's jackets to women.

Everyone already said it's okay if you choose to wear women's jackets and
clothes. We won't hold it against you.

 

I've hardly "attacked" you. Calling you "naive" is not an insult - it
means ignorance of something, not stupidity. The worst thing I've
said about you is that you're being "willfully ignorant", which is my
way of saying you're probably just "playing dumb" to bait me.

The clothing store in Rome where my wife bought my jacket only sells
men's clothing, and regardless, she explicity told the clerk that the
jacket was for me, not her.

On the Ducati vest, the snaps for the mandarin collar are on the
appropriate side for a man's vest - it's only the zipper that's
backwards.

For the last time, a left-hand zipper *only* denotes a woman's jacket
in North and South America. Here are some references. I've quoted
the appropriate parts from the sites in case you don't like to click
on links:



This is from the Pacific Zipper Company:
http://www.hhhzip.com/k_product.html

3. POSITION OF SLIDER :

L/S : Left slider (same as R/H-Right hand). Means-When a jacket is
opened the slider remains at the left side of the user.

R/S : Right slider (same as L/H-Left hand)

Use : L/S -- in Europe and Asia both by male and female
-- in USA. generally female
R/S -- in USA, Canada, South American countries ets.
generaly male




This is from Western European Products:
http://www.wephaus.com/products.asp?cat=41

Reproduction WWII M41 Field Jacket.

This value-priced jacket is popular with reenactors and veterans
alike. Durable cotton poplin shell with comfortable flannel lining and
accurate color. This jacket has been extensively field tested. Since
these replicas are made in Europe they have a left-hand operated
zipper instead of a right-hand zipper. Regular sleeve length. Insignia
not included.




Lastly, this review describes a British waxed hunting jacket:
http://hunting.about.com/library/weekly/aa001211.htm

There's a full storm flap with snaps over the heavy-duty front zipper,
which is "backwards," to Americans, anyhow. We're used to the zipper's
pull being on the right side, and this one has it on the left (I hear
they drive on the wrong side of the road, too).







Clearly, the whole "left-hand zipper means it's a women's jacket"
thing, while not limited solely to the U.S., doesn't mean shit when it
comes to European jackets.

On a side note - I just looked at my wife's Vanson jacket, and it has
the zipper pull on the right side, just like my Vanson. By your
reasoning, I must have bought her a man's jacket by mistake, right?

Scott Gardner

 

I have been posting on this NG for at least 5 years and I can flat tell you
that you have lost this arguement. Be that as it may, there is plenty of
bandwidth still available and you can post all you want.

 

Nah, I'm done. If he doesn't want to learn anything new, I can't
force him.

Scott Gardner

 

We'll have you know that, to Brian, dumb is no game to play; it's
serious business that he is duly diligent in performing.

 

"Lost it" not because of any data or substantive supporting evidence.
"Lost it" because the Walkers will never admit to being wrong, so
wasting his time with reason and logic is futile.

 

There was plenty of evidence offered by both sides. IMHO the asian and
european manufactures dont want to gear up and make two runs and have a
bunch of jackets with the "wrong" zipper pull aging on shelf's unsold. They
would just as soon let the buyer "just deal with it". I like being able to
reach over and unbutton a blouse without haveing to ask for help or switch
to another hand. Sometime that hand is busy with something else.

speakig of somebody having to lose...look at the philies, they should have
won, but new england ended up with more points and the game.