Accident Study

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by genuine_froggie, Dec 3, 2004.

  1. .... on TF1 last night, and many of the findings reproduced in French here..

    url:http://www.moto-net.com/p_article.php?RefArticle=662

    In brief:

    * 50% of accidents car-bike are the fault of the driver, 37% are
    the fault of the biker. In 70% of cases where the driver is at fault, it's
    because he 'didn't see' the bike.

    * speed is found to be an 'aggravating factor' when the biker falls, due to
    increased severity of injuries, but in 75% of accidents, the rider was
    actually travelling at _less_than_ 50 km/h at the moment of impact, and in
    1.5% of cases, the bike was in fact stationary.

    * In 71.2% of cases, the rider tried to avoid the obstacle in the seconds
    before impact, but 32% of them failed, and lost control.

    * 72.3% of accidents occur in town, compared to 24.9 in the countryside,
    and 2.8 in 'other' zones. Taken overall, bikes hit cars in 60% of
    the accidents, the road in 9% of cases, a truck, van or bus in 8.4% of
    cases, a fixed objet in 8% of cases, and another two-wheeled vehicle in
    6.9%.

    * the famous 'guillotine' crash barriers have caused injuries to
    motorcyclists in 6% of accidents.

    * no category of two-wheeler is over-represented. Scooters account for 354
    of the accidents, which isn't out of proportion to their 'risk factor'
    (whatever the **** that is). Sports bikes account for 137 accidents for a
    risk factor of 126. Sports-tourers (yeah !) are under-represented, with 76
    accidents for a risk factor or 110.

    * engine size is found to have little impact (no pun intended) on accident
    rates. <50cc are slightly over-represented, but > 750cc < 1000cc have 8.7%
    for a risk factor or 11.6%, and >1000cc are even less likely to be in
    accidents, with 6.3% for 9.5%.

    Voilà.
     
    genuine_froggie, Dec 3, 2004
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    Mike Guest

    <snip>

    Who cares?

    And it's all bollocks anyway.
     
    Mike, Dec 3, 2004
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    flash Guest

    flash, Dec 3, 2004
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    dwb Guest

    Similar figures to here I believe - And yet, under the new suggestions/laws,
    you can do 40mph+ in a 30 without getting in too much trouble.

    Go above 60 in a 60, or 70 in a 70 though and you're immediately liable for
    a fine.

    Barmy.
     
    dwb, Dec 3, 2004
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    Chas Guest

    It is commonly accepted that 64.8% of all statistics are made up on the
    spot, this does not include all those statistics that may be made up to
    prove any particular point that a survey is trying to prove. There are lies,
    there are damned lies, and then there are statistics. There are also
    statistics that only exist when jernalists sit around a table trying to
    think up ways of padding out the column inches that remain barren even after
    a liquid lunch.

    The following are the only true statements you will ever come across in your
    life :

    1. You are born.
    2. You will die.
    3. Flat roofs leak.

    Everything else is bollox.
     
    Chas, Dec 3, 2004
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  6. Very interesting.

    I rode out this afternoon towards a small airstrip called 'Toussous-le-
    Noble' near Versailles, and there's a long straight which goes past the
    town of 'Haut-Buc', and which has a central reservation for cars coming off
    the road, and cars joining.

    I was buying a sandwich, and on the way out, I nailed it along that
    straight, and as I approached the Buc cut-off, a small white van came
    towards me, indicating left, i.e. to turn across my path. Imagine if you
    will your diarist wrinkling his nose in a charming, gallic sort of 'wot ees
    'appenin' 'ere ?', and thinking to himself, that ****'s going to SMIDSY me.

    So I close the throttle, and lightly press my rear brake, more to activate
    my brake light than to slow down, as there were cars behind me. Sure
    enough matey pulls across in front of me, oblivious to the huge ****-off
    BMW bearing down upon him.

    However, I wonder about drivers who use an 'A piller' to say, 'I didn't see
    him'. Imagine, eh ? Biker runs down granny, oh mister policeman, it's not
    my fault: my visor had a sheet of cardboard on its inner surface, and I
    couldn't see the old bint ...

    Where do cunts get off saying, 'I didn't see you' ? If you don't see, you
    don't fucking move, end of bloody story. If blind people made a habit of
    sprinting down the centre of the Champs-Elysées, whose fault would the say
    it was when they got killed ? Their own, of course. Car drivers only do
    it because they've got a more than even chance, thanks to the bodywork of
    the car, of walking away unhurt. Bikers rarely do it, because their bodies
    _are_ the bodywork, and it hurts if you fall.

    I've noticed, as a pedestrian, that if a set of traffic lights goes to red,
    and the only other 'user' of the particular junction where they're situated
    is the pedestrian, then cars will merrily go through on the red. When
    there are cars approaching from the traditionally 'weak' angles of a car,
    i.e. the sides, then drivers are much more likely to stop. I'd love to
    discount this (admittedly non-empirical) evidence as not being proof that
    car drivers are selfish twats ... but I have great difficulty in doing so.

    Now pass me that Beaujoulais Nouveau ...
     
    genuine_froggie, Dec 3, 2004
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    Dan L Guest

    Versailles rocks, particularly:

    The Sunday market.
    The big lake with the old house by it and the terrapins in it.

    --
    Dan L (Oldbloke)
    My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
    M'boy's bike 2003 Honda NSR125R
    Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X
    BOTAFOT #140, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow)
     
    Dan L, Dec 3, 2004
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    Porl Guest

    Quite funny though. Watching someone so inept rail against his own
    stupidity.
     
    Porl, Dec 3, 2004
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    platypus Guest

    I believe there's some place where "I didn't see him" is tantamount to
    pleading guilty to Due Care.
    Actually, it's a rather pleasant Saumur-Champigny, and there's none left.
     
    platypus, Dec 4, 2004
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    Dan L Guest

    Apologies, it was due to the aforementioned wine box.

    This morning I are mostly being very quiet and consuming black coffee.

    --
    Dan L (Oldbloke)
    My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
    M'boy's bike 2003 Honda NSR125R
    Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X
    BOTAFOT #140, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow)
     
    Dan L, Dec 4, 2004
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  11. I'd say it was more the fault of his newsreader.
     
    genuine_froggie, Dec 4, 2004
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  12. <VVBG>
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 4, 2004
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  13. Haven't been out there on a Sunday for _at_least_ a decade. More's the
    pity, as it's nice biking roads aroundn that way.
     
    genuine_froggie, Dec 4, 2004
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    Dan L Guest

    Hmm, lots of cobbles in town, IIRC.

    --
    Dan L (Oldbloke)
    My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
    M'boy's bike 2003 Honda NSR125R
    Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X
    BOTAFOT #140, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow)
     
    Dan L, Dec 5, 2004
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  15. Cobbles aren't as dangerous as idiots like Ace, or newbies like Cab like to
    claim.

    The place de la Concorde is cobbled only, and despite my crossing it every
    morning and every evening, in all weathers and all conditions, and despite
    Korean and English tourists crossing like twats in the dark, wearing dark
    clothing, and outwith zebra crossings, I still derive pleasure from it.
     
    genuine_froggie, Dec 6, 2004
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    Dan L Guest

    Hmm, do you enjoy it in the same way as a housewife "enjoys" the washing
    machine on spin cycle?

    --
    Dan L (Oldbloke)
    My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
    M'boy's bike 2003 Honda NSR125R
    Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X
    BOTAFOT #140, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow)
     
    Dan L, Dec 6, 2004
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  17. More like the bloke who's givin' 'er one

    <aside: was that suffuciently cliquish ?>
     
    genuine_froggie, Dec 7, 2004
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    flash Guest

    How enjoyable is it to give someone a washing machine?
     
    flash, Dec 7, 2004
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  19. I am now a convert of flat roofs not leaking but only if you use sheets
    of EPDM.
    (ETHYLENE PROPYLENE DIENE MONOMERS)

    This stuff is unbelievable. Get the thickest grade you can afford.
    Get the supplier to prefabricate the shape.

    I've used these guys and they are very, very good/helpful etc.

    http://www.avenirroofing.co.uk

    When I spoke to the Firestone guys in the states when I was researching
    what to cover my upper terrace at Peafield Wood it went like this:

    Me: How long will it last?
    FS: Where are you?
    Me :In a valley in Kent south east England.
    FS: Well.........When the next ice age sweeps over south east England
    and a glacier is grinding the bricks of your house into grit, in the
    middle will be a large sheet of EPDM off of your terrace still in one
    bit.

    Trust me on this one!
     
    Mick Whittingham, Dec 7, 2004
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    Dan L Guest

    "There is no clique"

    --
    Dan L (Oldbloke)
    My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
    M'boy's bike 2003 Honda NSR125R
    Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X
    BOTAFOT #140, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow)
     
    Dan L, Dec 7, 2004
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