Interesting snippet I got from this article: http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/general/2003/09/10/FFXDRFX8EKD. html which says: "The worst of the intersections -- Miranda's monster Five Ways roundabout -- tops the list with 222 recorded collisions last year. But since November, when major road works were completed at the site, there have been just six crashes reported to the insurance company." The govt won't like this. A *massive* reduction in accidents without the need for any speed cameras. Who ever heard of such a thing?
Good-one Mr Carr - That's putting the resolution where the problem ain't! I bet none of the black-spots have speed cameras either! Does the RTA actually employ traffic engineers - if so why?
Good-one Mr Carr - That's putting the resolution where the problem ain't! I bet none of the black-spots have speed cameras either! ================================ Top black spots, 2002 1 Five Ways roundabout, Miranda (222 accidents) 2 M4 and Silverwater Rd, Silverwater (104) 3 M4 and Parramatta Rd, Granville (91) 4 Epping and Lane Cove rds, North Ryde (86) 5 Hume Hwy and Woodville Rd, Lansdowne (85) 6 Pacific Hwy and Ryde/Mona Vale rds, Pymble (83) 7 Cumberland Hwy and Old Windsor Rd, Wentworthville (81) 8 Nine Ways roundabout, Kingsford (72) 9 Silverwater and Victoria rds, Ermington (71) 10 Canterbury and King Georges rds, Wiley Park; Castle Hill and Old Northern rds, Castle Hill; Cumberland and Great Western hwys, Wentworthville (69). Source: NRMA Insurance RTA priority works Woodville Rd and Great Western Hwy, Harris Park King Georges Road and The Boulevarde, Wiley Park Coward Street and Kent Street, Mascot Scenic Drive and Wills Road, Doyalson Source: RTA ========================================= Mr Carr - Does the RTA actually employ traffic engineers - if so why?
"veritas" wrote Holy shit. In WA, from memory, a few years ago. Causeway Roundabout 300 and something Reid & Mirrabooka 180 odd Reid and Alexander 185 Etc Theo
Quite a nice quantum leap in logic you've taken there. Who said speed cameras reduce collision rates? Speed cameras save lives. Nev..
Oh, sorry I missed that. I assumed the governmnet were interested in road safety In other related news, the media have been blowing up about motorists not slowing down around schools lately. The new school speed cameras have pinged however many tens of thousand of drivers. The media instantly concluded that the world is an evil place, but the conclusion they never made was that if tens of thousands of people are speeding past schools, and kids aren't getting runover, then perhaps, just perhaps, speed isn't so bad after all. The camera in Mosman is the biggest earner, and hence the most offenders, yet it has a zero fatality rate. By their logic, if there are lots of speeders, shouldn't there also be lots of accidents?
Indeed. But now you have made another quantum leap and are assuming beurocrats have IQ's higher than the average lemming. --James ZZR250==>ZX9R __________________________________ A random quote of nothing: "But this one goes to eleven." -- Nigel Tufnel
I don't see the correlation you're trying to make here. Five Ways roundabout was a treacherous and ill-designed roundabout having Sydney drivers who are naturally inept trying to negotiate it. They dug it up and turned it into traffic light city. Neither one having anything to do with speed. I suspect that it wasn't funded and completed by a conglomeration of private citizens who were inept at dealing with this particular roundabout? Cheers, Rod.
What's going on here? As a disgusting roundabout with very bad visibility. Put in lights, and viola! it's down to 6 claims YTD. Grade seperated interchange with traffic lights. And again. And again. The old "Mechano set" traffic lights. More traffic lights And again. Not familiar with this one Grade seperated with lights. More traffic lights. The 5 Ways kinda makes sense - it *was* absolutely horrible, but now appears to be fixed. But what about the rest? How the hell can any more engineering be done than an overpass and traffic lights at the interchange point? Why are the worst intersections in the state the ones with traffic lights? it *must* be the sheer volume of traffic these intersections carry. Therefore, I am forced to wonder whether these are black spots because of sheer numbers, rather than crashes per 10k vehicles using them (for example). More bastardisation with meaningless stats, perhaps? Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au
Chicken shit. You want to try a real BI-DIRECTIONAL roundabout!! http://lamp.man.deakin.edu.au/grg/index.php?page=round Cheers Goaty
In many of those mentioned with lights, the braking shunts must be counted? So inattention/following too close are the big hitters, so to speak. Everybody knows that if the traffic is slow enough, shunts don't happen, or are minor enough to not be reported. Ego, get the traffic ultra slow and the 'accident rate' decreases. The real deal there is that the point GovCo is aiming for is far too slow. Something those advocating speed cameras have sadly missed. So far. -- Toby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
I'll say!! There was a Japanese tourist floundering off the coast at Surfers' and a speed camera just jumped right in and pulled her to the shore!! Apart from the fine she was very thankful! (...and I think they're making a movie about the life of a speed-camera; "The Great Gatso"). They're bloody heros, they are!! BoredDoodle
Yah... but they had to hold the interviews with the original box 'in camera' because he didn't look so flash. Geoff and Jodie
