A Triumph for America

The economy was failing before Bush took office. The economy took an even
deeper hit when 9/11 came along. Now if all this is Bush's fault, then your
gonna have to give him credit because the economy is starting to come back.
This dispite his two wars and heavy debt. So based on your assumptions,
Bush must really be great, because what other president can get an economy
to start to come back and handle two wars and increase our country's debt
like no other.

I'm tired of the this, show your proof. What kind of proof, cnn links,
msnbc links, fox links, standard media links. Not the off the wall
conspiricy links. I really want you to prove Bush was blantly wrong, not
just misinformed.
So far the info brought to the Bush administration was that a hijacking was
very possible. No one in the CIA or FBI even mentioned the scenerio that
occurred. Their fears were based on passed experiences of Hijackings. The
fact that the FBI director who was in charge just prior to 9/11 didn't
believe in computers, email, databases and such, he believed it should be
done the old school way, lots of human intervention. The director himself
didn't even have a computer on his desk and would not use email. So high
speed communication or data gathering was limited. When the FBI had the
current computers replaced, they couldn't give them away to anyone.
Charitable organizations felt the systems were so old that they were worth
nothing to them. Interesting enough this director was from the Clinton
administration. We all know of the great intelligence work of the Clinton
administration. How many terrorist attacks occurred during that time frame.
Add that to the fact the World Trade Centers were attacked during the
Clinton administration and that the FBI director from the Clinton
administration did not see any correlations to the hijacking and what was
about to happen, yes I would like to see your proof.

In case you forgot, the Taliban were hosting the Terrorist camps. We asked
for the immediate expulsion of Osama. The Taliban refused, we went in after
them. Saudia Arabia wasn't hosting the Terrorist camps. Criminals come
from all over, that wasn't the issue. The issue was the Taliban were
hosting Osama and his terrorist camps.

I hope so, my responses above are based on trying to relate fact to hype.
But the real fact is that Bush is a horrible president and we do need
someone else to replace him.

 

Whew.. LOL.. I snipped the response you made to Brian except for this last
comment.. You had me worried there for a bit.. LMAO.. This comment is all
that saved you.. All of the defenses for Bush and the evidence you demand is
an exercise in futility considering the secrecy this administration
invokes.. We may never know the whole story of what Bush had exposed our
country to.. Perhaps the lawsuit filed by one of the surviving widows of 911
will force Bush to come forward... She has accused Bush of violations of the
RICO act and partially substantiated her complaint with the Bush family
predicate of profiteering with enemies of the US in a time of war.. i.e. the
financing and support for Hitler during WWII, by Prescott Bush, Dubya's
grandfather..With all due respect to you , Elmer.. this president has
exposed our nation to most of the disasters we have experienced since he
took office.. His own personal corruption and the corruption of the advisors
and administration he has gathered around him have been reflected in each
policy that has resulted in the impositions into every aspect of our
lives..The responsibility for these actions are his and no one elses.. The
lies that have been told have deceived our people and the world.. No matter
which member of the administration told that lie or perpetrated that
deception, the responsiblity is directly on the doorstep of George W.Bush..
No matter how much he attempts to blame previous presidents and shift that
responsibility, even to others in his administration, it is his
responsiblity..The efforts to relieve blame from himself is even more of a
lie..The only credit due for this totally detestable president is
responsiblity for the disasters we have suffered under his administration of
our nation.. I do not post referral, evidence , cites of others.. I post
only my own opinions and ideas.. some good, some bad.. As you well know, I
will also argue, substantiate by events, and support my ideas in any forum
available to me.. Those who do not have that dedication and conviction
should be very careful and examine their own ideas and opinions.. I am
convinced this is the most corrupt president and administration in our
history and will walk the last mile and support that conviction with all my
energy.. With all due respect to any and all of my friends on this group..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Here ya go.......

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911coverup10pg

 

Do you REALLY and I mean REALLY deep down inside of your politickin little
heart
do you really think Dean is the answer to your prayers???

before you answer this I realize that noone has claimed to have a better
canidate to endorse or to throw votes at. and I have not kept up with who all
is running at this time but from what I have seen on tv, on the news, in the
papers that Dean is not a stable phyche at this time. I hope and pray each
night before I go to bed that surly you have a canidate worth voting for... I
hope that you are not just preaching against Bush and voting for Dean just
because he is a democrate.
that would be the perverbial "cutting off your nose to smite your face"
this is one time I am not endorsing any political party. but it would scare
the Hell out of me to think that Dean was president.
as I have told my lovly wife ( she is sitting next to me) if anyone truely
wanted me to vote democrate they would put someone worth my vote up for
election.

IceMan

 

I am not a particular admirer of Dean and do not endorse any candidate at
this time.. I have been hoping for more of a showing from Kerry.. but have
been disappointed.. Kucinich is a very smart man.. I saw him in Austin when
he was there.. I am afraid that he doesn't have the charisma to beat Bush..
Al Sharpton has made some real zingers and said some things that needed
saying.. No other candidate could afford to make some of the statements he
has made.. Go Al... Edwards seems a little immature.. those seem to be the
leaders.. Not to dicount Wesley Clark, but I am still waiting for furthur
declarations from him..

for...

Dean is showing a lot of promise, but it is still very early to decide that
he will be the candidate for the party..At least for me.. I will wait until
the convention to see how they all stand at that time.. I am like you.. Now
is much too early to commence backing any one of them.. I very well could be
from Missouri with my attitude.. right.. LOL

I

From the performance of Bush for the past nearly three years, I'm convinced
Carol Mosely Braun would be an improvement.. Go Carol.. We desperately need
a turnover in our administration..

Give the Lovely Lady my best regards and hopefully the political environment
will improve and some of the bitterness will be resolved.. I am convinced we
have been distracted from the real issues which face our state and nation..
I am furthur convinced George W.Bush can not lead us without furthur
division and hate.. My only hope is that regardless, our people will
commence to talk to each other, republicans and democrats alike, and realize
that we are all in this together and our goals are virtually the same.. That
is the worst fear for any corrupt politician.. Thanks for the very good post
IceMan..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

That was very well put and even made alot of sense.

God Bless you

IceMan

 

Wow, that's a lot of good info. It shows a lot of the screwups from the
Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush admins. Although its not a smoking gun, it
sure puts the edge of the sword squarely against a couple of throats.

Thanks again. I'll definitely keep this site in mind...

 

Sure thing.

Can you give me the address of the rock you've been under for the past
several years so I can mail you the proof you ask for?

I doubt seriously you'd believe anything anyway.

Speaking of believing what the media reports, I was busy getting a
hair cut today. While I was sitting there having a razor run across my
scalp, the barber was telling me all about what he'd seen on the news
about Saddam's capture. He was telling me all about how Saddam had
$750,000 in cash when he was captured and how he'd been going around
the city of Tikrit in taxis paying in $100 bills. He went on to tell
me all about how Saddam looked. I hadn't noticed it before, but I
looked at the pictures being shown on the news right at that same
time. Gee, for someone who's been in hiding for such a relatively
short period, he sure did grow one HECK of a beard. I pointed out
about the beard/hair Saddam had been pictured with and the barber
quickly turned to the TV and agreed that the beard sure was long and
bushy for the time Saddam has been missing. At that point I asked
about the $100 bills. It struck me "why would someone in Iraq be doing
business of day to day living using $100 bills of American money?
Wouldn't that give them totally away?". Go figure these out...if you
can.

 

America is the rock I've been under...

Oh, I've been reading a lot of interesting stuff from a previous post. Its
been rather enlighting as too how much each administration since Reagan has
been supplying or subverting these terrorist.
I can believe stuff from credible news sources, whether I like the info or
not. But propaganda like the kind Rush Limbough delivers I won't accept at
face value. Typically I find the true lies somewhere in between the reality
and propaganda.

Don't know about that. Its been between 6 - 8 months since Saddam went away
.. Guess it depends on how long hair grows in that amount of time. I've
seen some people who get pretty bushy in just a short 6 months and they
trimmed their beards.
As far as $100 bills, again this would depend on the area. Royalty is
expected to act a certain way, and american money, like cars are sometimes
something they are expected to use. I'd heard about the money as far as
750,000 in $100 bills, however I never heard that he was spending it. I
would sort of expect something like american bills to be used in the black
market. When I was in Japan, the Japanese and US considered any serviceman
that carried bills over $20 in denomination to be part of the black market
and was charged as such.
Just an observation, I really have no idea....

 

Elmer.. as you know, I would rather pull teeth than to post a link or refer
a URL.. Tommy Smelser gave me a link today, and I'd like your input or
opinion.. You may have seen it already since you are always ahead of my
curve.. Here it is anyway.. Thanks..
www.debka.com/article.php?aid=743

 

Guess it falls into the category of interesting.
Although some of it makes sense, other parts such as Saddam having 750,000
doesn't. Basically why would captures allow a prisoner to keep nearly a
million dollars. If 25 million was so important to them and they didn't
have it yet, wouldn't 750,000 of ready cash be important too? Why would you
allow your prisoner to hold onto the cash rather than take it away and use
it yourself? After all your going to trade or kill him so the cash is of no
use to him and it would make a nice gift for someone.
Its also a possibility that he didn't know he was been used. Might account
for the money. According to their thinking they didn't have a problem with
the length of his hair and beard, or the fact he had 750,000 american
dollars on him. They mentioned that he looked like he was that way for
several weeks, not months.
The possibility does exist, although Rumsfield did mention the week before
that he was disappointed that no Iraqi had provided information to claim the
money. With negociations going on according to this article, that statement
really doesn't add up. But you never know.
Like I said interesting...

 

Thanks Elmer.. we are on the same page .. Interesting and intriguing..
provocative to say the least.. 'preciate the input.. Catch you later...

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Part of the problem is that most US citizens have no clue as to what
our "best life" costs the rest of the world - as with most of the
empires in history.

Oma

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So, do you suppose Saudi Arabia is becoming ripe for "liberation"?

Oma

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The search for weapons of mass destruction was pretty obviously a
pretext. How else are you going to sell an invasion to the holy and
righteous citizens of the last protectors of all that is good and
wholesome?

I would add to #3 that this was apparently done by illegal means and
against the will of practically the rest of the world.

I would also add that #3 and #4 received the same justifications
tyrants and dictators and emperors always give: the greater safety and
well being of the homeland.

I think these are some of the most shameful days in the history of a
nation replete with shameful days.

Oma

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Sure he did. Crank up the military and create more foreign markets,
whether they wanted to be markets or not.

He's just the latest in a long string of folks with the same answers.
We put up with it because he buys us what we want and we really don't
see what it costs and who is paying the price.

There's the Bill we know and love -- we don't have to guess how you
really feel, do we?

I have a problem with both of them.

I don't agree with the first statement. And as for the second, there
are significant portions of the world that see the US as an oppressive
empire. As long as that is the case there will be resistance. Given
that the US is the most powerful military and terrorist threat in the
world, it would be idiotic to expect any form of violent resistance
other than "ambushes", guerrilla attacks, terrorist attacks, etc.
What, you think the Taliban is going to put in an order for Raptors?
Since these rights were never created by government, government cannot
take them away. They have, however, greatly increased the risk and
the cost of exercising those rights.

MUCH to my disappointment, he will probably be re-elected. Or is that
(re)-elected? Or re-"elected"? Anyway, he'll probably be there again
next term. But, I don't think he was ever planning on that to begin
with. I think he has pretty much already done what he set out to do.

Are you saying we are not yet awake to the fact or that it is not yet
a fact?

Now THERE'S an under statement!

I like the way you put that. Easiest way to get people to vote for
evil is to have them believe there is no other real option. (And/or
that it isn't really evil anyway. Some logic holds that even though we
do the same things evil powers do they aren't evil acts when we do
them. Go figure.)

Oma

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Apologies to those who get twisted out over top posting.

Here's what I think is typically done: A course of action is decided
upon and then a particular set of events is used to justify the chosen
course. The bend in the river of history that you chose as your
starting point is determined by the course that has already been
determined.

Thus, the questions of what really led to the events of 9-11 are never
seriously discussed by the administration. The horror of the atrocity
is sufficient reason for the course laid out a long time ago.

Just my 1.5 cents.

Oma

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Getting harder and harder all the time to do one's homework on
candidates and the issues.

You are very fortunate.

Oma

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The tactic has been around for millennia. Keep the conscienced
beneficiaries of imperial policy distracted and entertained and you
can do pretty much whatever you want.

I sometimes think the US loves to hate. We have to have the great
evil out there somewhere so we don't have to face our own.

Oma

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Aren't you glad we have a free press? And we all know this free press
prints the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth rather
than just what gets their bread buttered. Their altruism is downright
inspiring.

By the way, just who is it that owns all these free presses?

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

Oma

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