A question of two hard drives

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pip, May 21, 2011.

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    Pip Guest

    Or, more properly, two hard drive questions. No, not hard questions -
    well, not for one who knows the answer (which makes them hard for me, as
    I don't know the answer 'cos if I did I wouldn't be asking, would I?)
    and I'm sure there's one (or perhaps two) out there who know the answer.

    Machine: modern(ish) dual-core ex-Dell, 3GHz, 8Gb RAM. Two HDDs, one
    (C) running the OS and programs that want to be adjacent to it, one HDD
    (the one in question) for data, downloads, games and assorted junk.
    Running Windows 7, all legit and up-to-date.

    HDD Q1: concerning a recently-purchased and installed hard drive. It
    appears in the Explorer tree, then it disappears. Sometimes it shows up
    and is usable, other times it is as if the thing doesn't exist. Its
    predecessor was always visible and usable, but this little feller is
    elusive. It may be the cause of the odd BSOD I've had since fitting it,
    I suppose.

    I've changed the power source cable and the data (SATA) cable to no
    avail. Here's the nub: is it the drive at fault? It isn't very old:
    less than two months it's a 2Tb Samsung Spinpoint and it came from
    dabs.com as new.


    HDD Q2: concerning an external connection kit. A weird and wonderful
    thing, it consists of a power supply with a 240V adaptor with two leads
    for SATA and PATA connections and a data lead, USB to either SATA or
    PATA. The HDD lies on top of the PC case, powered up and working fine.
    The question is - why won't my older PATA drives work?

    I suspect it is because the W7 install is 64-bit and the older drives
    are 32-bit: when I connect a SATA drive it just works as any external
    drive would. Connect a PATA drive and it comes up with a dialog box
    teling me the drive is formatted incorrectly and all it will do is
    format the drive.

    Am I right? If so, it would be a PITA as tehre's all sorts of stuff I'd
    like to recover - this was the reason for buying the connector and the
    big new drive, both of which seem to be hellbent on frustrating my
    desires.

    If I am right, is there a way around the problem? I suppose I could
    revive an old box and stick 32-bit XP on it, but that's obviously a PITA
    on its own, unless I have to - and if I did, how do I get the data off
    the XP machine and onto my current machine then?


    Ok, so more than just two questions, but I suspect the answers are
    linked although the detail eludes me and my googling skills - I betcha
    there's some PC whizz out there who can put me right (**** off,
    oldbloke, don't start, OK?) and give me a plan I can follow. I'd be
    mighty obliged if there is.
     
    Pip, May 21, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    You don't mention if you've tried different MB ports. If so, sounds
    like it must be a dodgy drive, but check the power saving settings
    first. Set it to never sleep that drive.
    That won't be it. Did you read the instructions for the connection kit,
    including the small print? My IcyBox external caddy will only work in
    NAS mode if the drive's formatted as FAT16. That shouldn't be the case
    with what is basically just an external USB drive, but...
     
    Krusty, May 21, 2011
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    ginge Guest

    Normally those things have a jumper somewhere on them that needs
    moving to change from SATA to PATA.
     
    ginge, May 21, 2011
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    Catman Guest

    I'd agree with Krusty on this. Sounds SNAFU to me.
    Indeed not.
    Seconded. I can understand the aspect of it not working without FAT16
    *as a NAS* but not as a USB.



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    Catman, May 21, 2011
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    Catman Guest

    Dunno about normally. I have one here that has 2.5 and 3.5 IDE
    connectors and a SATA socket into which you can cable SATA drives.

    No jumpers in sight.

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    Pip Guest

    Not on this one: weird thing that it is. The data cable has a block in
    the middle of it with a connector either side, one for 2.5" drives, the
    otehr for 3.5" and 5.25" drives, with a cable running from the end of
    the block which terminates in a SATA data connector.

    It runs SATA drives fine, and it sees the PATA drives, just tells me
    they're not formatted correctly and the only option given is to format
    the drive.
     
    Pip, May 21, 2011
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    Pip Guest

    I don't have a spare port. Dell, see: only two SATA connectors on the
    MB, with an eSATA stuck away on the edge - which I can't use yet as I
    haven't got a eSATA to SATA cable. Yet.
    I can't find a 'never' setting, but have gone for 7000 minutes.
    Ah. RTFM, eh? Meh. Where did I put that box ...?
     
    Pip, May 21, 2011
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    Pip Guest

    I went a'googlin' for my adaptor and found this:

    http://www.maplin.co.uk/ide-sata-to-usb-2.0-48965

    Which staes: "Using an IDE Hard Drive, it is not recognized by the PC
    Please make sure the jumpers on the Hard Drive are set to Master".

    <digs out HDD>
     
    Pip, May 21, 2011
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    Tim Guest

    Any SMART data available for the drive?
     
    Tim, May 21, 2011
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    Catman Guest

    Oh *yes*. I thought jumpers on the adapter, not the drive.
    *DOH*

    On the face of it, that could well be your issue, especially if your
    PATA drives were data drives as you describe above, and therefore
    probably slaves.

    OTOH, I'd expect it not to see the drive at all if there was some odd
    master / slave thing going on. But wibble flip. Worth a try.

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    Catman, May 21, 2011
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    Pip Guest

    Ooh, dunno. Next time it appears I'll ask it.
     
    Pip, May 21, 2011
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