A Mini Rant.

One would assume a progression new-stuff -> legacy -> bin with some
errr, new stuff coming in.

fwiw, I really can't understand Indian accents, worse than Scots.

 

I think it's a question of being understood. I had the same problem when I
tried to book a B&B in Portmadog.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

Except when you obviously do...

 

Well, I was ignoring the typo, 'cos spelling usenet flames are *so*
1992.

What I was getting at is that wanting a job to go to someone in
Burnley rather than someone in Delhi is nationalist rather than
racist.

Wanting a job to go to a white person rather than an asian person is
racist.

 

Never fight the bloke who says "Now I'm not a violent person..."

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

err, yes. But that's just common-or-garden lying, rather than the
self-delusion "I'm not racist but" normally implies.

I could probably make the (true) statement

"I don't mean to sound racist but out of the three times I've been
knocked off my bike by a car driver, it's been an asian male, which
might suggest they can't drive for toffee"

in the full knowledge that it may well indeed "sound racist".

 

As consumers drive prices down and our government drives the costs to
employers up the "market" responds by reducing costs.

Eventually the pay and conditions in Delhi will improve and the jobs will be
moved to Iraq.

Pay more or live with it.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

I'm not racist, I'd be happy for Indians, Bangladeshis, Cossovans, or
any other workers to come over here and do the jobs cheaply, provided
they're actively contributing to the UK economy in taxes and suchlike.

What I am totally against is the wholesale outsourcing of the UK's
manufacturing and service industry simply because of shareholer
profiteering, and further perpetuation of an already out of control 'fat
cat' culture.

As a nation we'd do well to return to being more self-sufficient, and
investing in a new generation of skilled and non skilled workers at all
levels, thus preventing us drifting into an employment vacum. Of course
that kind of investment doesn't look so good on a short-term balance
sheet..

 

This years 'hot new must have' is next years legacy shit. As an EKS I've
made a quite a good living out of supporting legacy stuff. The stuff tends
to be mostly documented and working and as most IT bods want to work on the
latest and greatest there's less competition for jobs. OK so the money's
not as good but there's less stress.

 

I think you're missing some vital factors out here. While it may be
true that utility companies are trying to make profits for their
shareholders, and whether that's a good thing is another question
altogether, but you surely can't refuse the principle of said
companies shopping around to get the best value-for-money, can you?

If you _really_ want to do so and be true to yourself, you should be
riding a Triumph, minus all of its foreign parts, using only
British-built compters (are there any?) and certainly should not be
working for one of the largest multi-national corporations in the
world.

Think about it.

 

It's a bit of a far cry from wanting the person on the other end of the
phone to understand you without needing to repeat what you say about 5
times, thus wasting both your time, though.

I had to read out my creditcard number about 5 times only last week. I
couldn't give a **** where the person is, *I* don't want to waste my time
and phonebill trying to clarify details that should have been
understandable the first time around.

 

lol, you stupid ****. Your carpets will be full of shit.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

Can't fly, won't fly. The econmy is global. "Our" job is to find a
niche where we do things better than the rest of the world. Which, it
turns out, we can - we're great at financial services, entertainment,
software, niche engineering (F1, anyone?) etc. We're never going to
compete with 'new encomies' when it comes to making shoes or plugging
circuit boards together. However, if you want those new economies to
get off the ground (and if you don't you're condemning billions of
people to a peasant existence) then you'd better give them something
to do.

 

Just like we all do.

Perfectly put.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

At last. Someone who knows what they're fucking talking about... and
amazingly, it Champ.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

Pakis and knot heads can't fucking drive. Everyone knows that.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"

 

Maybe they were just fed up with your racist attitude.

 

Be nice to be given the option of choosing between hot new and legacy
shit though. As it is it seems to be legacy here while the hot new goes
abroad. Well for some here anyway, at the moment I've still got stuff to
do, but I'm resigned to becoming a <spit> 'project manager' eventually .

Thing which worries me is who looks after the outsourced stuff when it
becomes legacy. We did some of this in the 90's (outsourced to
California) and the code was basically undocumented and large parts had
to be re-worked by contractors as the headcount had been reduced
significantly and it didn't do the job (well not fast enough anyway).

 

Well I agree with you, except that I work in software and I'm now
worrying about outsourcing. Currently we're in negotiations about some
real time stuff being outsourced to a company in India because we
haven't got the headcount to meet a very agressive deadline ('cos we
laid everyone off 2 years ago). We're trying to make the case that we'd
be better to recruit and do it here but it's falling on deaf ears as
software is 'going that way' (not my words).

Not sure what to make of it all really.

 

Maybe they're cheaper/ able to work more than 48 hours per week/ more
flexible/ don't get pension/ less rights than you.

Just a guess.

--
cane [at] ukrm.org ¦ fireblade, r30
botafo t#50 f#03 YTC #15 bbb #6 apostle [kotl]
New? http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Rideout? http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/botafof/
"Brace yourselves ladies, I'm coming in dry"