'85 BWM K100 - Gas from tailpipe

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Knurled, Apr 17, 2005.

  1. Knurled

    Knurled Guest

    Hoping someone can help...

    I let my 85 K100 RS sit for about a year and the battery died. I
    replaced the battery, but when I went to start it, it acted like there
    was no fire (ignition) and it was spraying gas from the tailpipe.

    I'm wondering if there's something simple to do or an adjustment that I
    could make to get it started so I can get it into the shop for service.


    Thanks in advance.
     
    Knurled, Apr 17, 2005
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  2. Sparks drowned in gasoline? Ain't fuel injection wonderful?

    Is there something simple you could do? Take your left hand, reach
    behind you and remove your wallet from your pocket. Holding your wallet
    in your left hand, reach in and remove as many pieces of green paper as
    you may have and count them or take one of the little plastic cards in
    the side pockets and call up the 1-800 number on the back of the card
    to see if you have any available credit left.

    Then call Motorcycle Valet Towing and they'll send a very nice man out
    to wrap your BMW in a baggy and whisk it off to the local BMW Emporium.
    If your BMW is clean enough and they like you, they will fix it without
    sneering scornfully at you...
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    But there are solutions for us less fortunate folks who don't have
    bushel baskets of money gathering dust in the corner... ;-)

    Read your shop manual, if you have one. Every motorcycle owner should
    have a shop manual to save massive amounts of money that would
    otherwise be spent on silly little problems when you have to take the
    machine to the $tealership to get it fixed...

    Maybe you can get the ECU to reset itself if you just disconnect the
    battery and reconnect it?

    The ECU is the brain of the Frankenstein Monster. It take some
    experience with cantankerous electromechanical systems to have an idea
    how the damned thing is hooked up to work. If it's not an ECU problem,
    maybe it's mechanical...

    Could be one of the fuel injectors is stuck in the open position.
    If that's the case you want to blow the gasoline out of the cylinders
    so you can check for spark at the plugs with the plugs removed from the
    cylinders...

    (A new set of spark plugs probably wouldn't hurt, either.)

    Maybe if you pulled the ECU's fuse out, the ECU wouldn't send a spark
    to the cylinders, and it wouldn't open the fuel injectors, but it also
    might not let the starter turn over either. Gawd only knows how the
    Bosch engineers designed that black box...

    The ignition pickup coil probably signals the ECU that the engine is
    spinning and that probably starts the fuel pump running. The pickup
    coil probably signals the injectors to squirt gas at the right time...

    You could probably disconnect the plug coming from the ignition pickup
    coil so the ECU wouldn't turn the fuel pump on, and crank the
    engine over with the spark plugs removed to blow out any gasoline
    remianing in the cylinders...

    Then you could hook the pickup coil plug back up and cautiously check
    for spark, with the spark plugs grounded as far away from the spark
    plug holes as possible, because the fuel pump *will* start spraying
    fuel into the cylinders again and you don't want to ignite those
    vapors...

    Look for some way to stop the injector pump from running or a way to
    block gasoline from getting to the injector pump so you can blow the
    gasoline out of the cylinders...

    Maybe a simpler way to blow any gasoline out of the cylinders is to
    jumper the starter solenoid. It may have two small terminals, it may
    have one small terminal...

    The shade tree mechanic's way of getting an engine to crank over if
    there's a problem with getting the starter solenoid to close would be
    to stick a screwdriver across the two large terminals. But that makes
    big sparks...

    A tricky electrician like me would use two small jumper wires, one from
    the + terminal of the battery, and one from the - terminal of the
    battery. If the starter solenoid has two small terminals, the solenoid
    should close and the engine should crank over without turning the
    ignition key on and that would blow the gasoline out of the engine
    without making big sparks...

    If the solenoid has only one small terminal, the solenoid coil might be
    getting its power from the large +terminal that comes off the battery.
    In that case, all you have to do is use a jumper wire to ground the
    single small terminal and the solenoid should close and crank the
    engine over...

    It's nice to have a small fuse, say 5 amps, in a fuse holder when you
    start probing around like that.

    The starter solenoid might be internally grounded, and what you might
    need to do is apply 12 volts from the battery to that single terminal
    on the solenoid...

    Whatever works, to get the engine to crank over with the electric
    starter. It beats hell out of taking the whole motorcycle to the top of
    a hill and coasting down the hill with the engine in gear and the spark
    plugs removed to blow the gasoline out of the cylinders...

    If you can get all the gasoline blown out of the cylinders and your
    engine oil doesn't smell like gasoline, you can replace the spark plugs
    and try to start the engine. If the engine will run, try putting some
    fuel system cleaner that's designed for fuel injection systems in the
    gas tank. Just a few ounces is all it will take in each tank. Use that
    stuff until it's all used up.

    Fuel sytem cleaners designed for fuel injection systems will say that
    they are made of "petroleum distillate". That stuff is a little oily,
    like kerosene. It lubricates the pintle of the fuel injector and lets
    it work without sticking...

    If your oil does smell like gasoline and you look at the oil level and
    it seems to be rising, that's a bad thing. Gasoline will dilute the oil
    and you can wipe out your bearings with diluted oil if you don't get an
    explosion from gas fumes in the crankcase...

    If your oil smells like gasoline, you'll have to change it. But I
    wouldn't spend a lot of money on expensive synthetic oil for that
    change if I thought a fuel injector was sticking and I might just get
    gasoline diluted oil again...

    No, I would just go down to the 99 Cents Only store and buy 4 quarts of
    the 99-cent oil to flush out any gasoline-diluted oil...
     
    krusty kritter, Apr 17, 2005
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  3. Knurled

    Dave HD Guest

    Treat it as if it were badly flooded. Which it is. If you know how, do an
    oil change first. Then pull the plugs and crank it with the fuel valve
    turned "off". Let it sit for a few days with the plugs out or blow the
    excess out with compressed air. Next time, drain the gas before you let it
    sit for a long period and turn off the fuel valve.

    Davehd
     
    Dave HD, Apr 18, 2005
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  4. The injector pump will still pump whatever gasoline is in the system
    into the cylinders because the ECU will tell the fuel injectors to open
    when you crank the engine over with the electric starter...

    Whatever fuel goes into the cylinders can dilute the fresh oil again...


    What will a BMW fuel pump do, if you run it dry? Some fuel pumps will
    be damaged by running dry because they are cooled and lubricated by
    gasoline...
     
    krusty kritter, Apr 18, 2005
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  5. Knurled

    Paul Cassel Guest

    Just detach the FI wires before cranking. There is some evidence that
    BMW pumps will be damaged by drying running for a long time, but here,
    this bike is so old, there is no telling what's going on.
     
    Paul Cassel, Apr 19, 2005
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