64 in a 60 zone

Dunno, never bothered to count them.

Mark.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:49:41 +1000

Are you sure?

My understanding is that it's the leeway the cops are now required to
give. That is, they book if you are 3kmh over, not 10% over.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:49:41 +1000

Here we go:

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/spot/ch09.pdf

From July 1990 to June 1991, of 8 545 235 vehicles monitored when
passing a speed camera, 1 082 122 (12.5 per cent) were detected as
travelling over the speed limit. On average, these vehicles were
exceeding the applicable limit by 12.7 per cent. Only in two-thirds of
the cases (representing 663 095 vehicles) were photographs actually
taken of the breach. This was because the police were applying a general
rule that a vehicle had to be travelling at least 10 per cent above the
applicable limit plus 3 km/h.3 The former is the fairness tolerance
and the latter is the machine tolerance.


So yes, you are right in that the 3kmh is the manufacturer thing, Iw as
confused with the fact the 10% tolerance has been dropped or massively
reduced so the net effect is a 3kmh leeway.

I so far can only find 3rd hand accounts of the situation, dur to the
way google indexes thing....

Ozbiker had some quotes which imply it's the 10% tolerace that's been
hit, so the effective tolerance in regulations is 3kmh which is also the
machine tolerance.
http://www.ozbiker.org/archived_news/march31/vic_speedcameras_27_03.htm

"But acting Assistant Commissioner (traffic) Bob Hastings said winding
back tolerance levels was part of the Arrive Alive campaign to encourage
people to drive 5km/h slower.

Mr Hastings said the 3km/h tolerance limit reflected the accuracy of the
state's speed cameras, laser and radar guns.

"Cribbing 5km or 10km is no longer acceptable because it causes death
and injury," he said.

"As technology becomes better and more sophisticated, equipment becomes
available even that 3km/h tolerance may need to be reviewed as well."

Mr Hastings admitted the traditional 10 per cent tolerance had reflected
Australian design standards for speedometers.

But he said research showed only a few vehicles had speedometers that
underestimated speed by more than 3km/h."

Zebee

 

But he said research showed only a few vehicles had speedometers that underestimated speed by more than 3km/h."


Could they honestly believe that bullshit?

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:23:33 +1000

What info do you have otherwise?

I've had 2 bike speedos that under-read my speed. Out of what, 20
bikes? And one of those had a non-standard speedo fitted.

Of the other vehicles I've had, they have over-estimated the speed by
anything from a bit to a lot.

Zebee

 

You wanted logic? I didn't glean that from the thread.

Theo

 

the formula for the cameras is this zebee
they are set to 7 kmh over the limit
a vehicle doing 7 kmh over is pinged then the so called 3 kmh tolerance
is deducted from the speed giving you a 4 kmh over the limit "alleged" speed
Copper will allow more than 3 kmh in fact for a bike they will use their
discretion and allow up to 10 -15 kmh over before pinging you
for a car they will allow 10 kmh over.
this was divulged by a friend who workks for civic compliance and then
backed up by a copper we met at the toy run last year.
There is no % formula used here in vic.

 

This is ausmoto and harsh week
logic?
good point

 

So sorry Nev.

Or should that be Nev..?

How many full stops do you need?

Hammo

P.S. I'm sure I was well into the second half of the case by then, really
hope you weren't working!

 

Not all of it.

He was a champion with the work I was doing in 96-98.

Hammo

 

You are wrong, then Zebee.

Hammo

 

So you are medico now, or just don¹t follow how disease can be
multi-factorial and therefore related despite the diagnoses?

Hammo

 

You must have killfilled me cos I sent you three.

One when it arrived, one when you posted that I didn't reply, and then
another one with some hilarious visual gags.

Hammo

 

Zebee got it wrong (well, mostly). The ADRs of speedos do apply at certain
speeds....

Hammo

 

Those circumstances being anytime a lawyer considers a judgement in a
NSW court is persuasive. You can use a decision reached in any of the
common law countries (ie UK, NZ, US etc*) as argument in a Vic court.
They are of course not binding on the Vic court, but they will be
considered. There is plenty of precedent for non binding decisions to be
accepted as persuasive.

JL
*Argument from Napoleonic code countries(France et al) can be considered
also but it's more tricky apparently)

 

No Smee, that is wrong.

In 100 zones, it is ten percent.

Hammo

 

What would Zebee know? She's not a Victorian!

Moike

 

Proof that non-Vic Aus.motians don't count!
Clem

 

the 11 tasmanian ausmotians can't cuont

 

Nugget my starfish, you burly oafs!

He was one of the reasons I turned my back on Victoria. He is a loathsome
spotted reptile. He threatened my electorate with various plagues for not
electing his nancy-boy Craig Bildstein.