64 in a 60 zone

Cunts have sent me a nasty little letter, 64 in a 60 zone.

Taking it to court. A clear road, bright sunny day, camera car clearly
hidden, double laned, wide road.

Clearly revenue raising.

Any suggestions on how to approach the beak on this. I dont expect to
get off it, but I would like to keep the points.

 

What difference does it make if the camera is hidden or out in the open.

As pointed out in a thread last week... you're wasting your time, and the
court's time, and the penalty the magistrate hands you will probably reflect
that, unless you can produce some evidence that the detected speed is not
correct.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Just pay it, they can hit you with court costs and more if they want,
then you lose out **** loads.

 

The Qld Traffic regulations allow for Speedo's to have a 10% inaccuracy.
That would make your speed fall with in that 10% allowable error range. Not
sure what the go is in other states.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:49:46 +1000

Did you break the law?

IS the law "60kmh or less" or is the law "appropriate speed"?

So? Did you break the law?

If it was a camera or other instrument, then your only chance is to show
or maybe raise enough doubt if you can't completely show, that it was
being used improperly. As in not as regulations lay down.

If you can't show that, then cop it sweet. You broke the law. The beak
doesn't give a shit about whether it was a good law or not, that's not
their job and they have 58 more bods on the docket after you.

Your other choice is the old civil disobedience thing, go to court, say
your piece, refuse to pay the fine, and take the consequences of *that*.

If enough people are willing to lose money, and time, and maybe
licences, and go to jail instead of paying up, it becomes unworkable and
embarassing.

They are banking on the general reluctance of the driving population to
be that annoyed about it.

One or two who protest can be handled.

In Vic, the 3km leeway means that either lots of people get pissed off
and protest, which doesn't seem to have happened, or everyone substracts
5 or even 10 from the number on the sign and pretends that is the limit.


Zebee

 

It is probably not worthwhile but........

I believe that the ADR for speedo's is a 10% tolerance. That essentially
gives you +/- 6k at 60k

Essentially then you are using a legal speedo to maintain your speed
within that speedo's tolerances.

May be worth trying the 'I did all I could to obey the law' defense....

Stan.

 

Seeing as no one else has posted anything other than "Just cop it sweet" I
thought I'd post something different.

NRMA in NSW was looking a while ago at the legality of any speed fines for
<10% over the limit, due to the ADR for speedos being an accuracy within
10%. You could do some googling, phoning, etc etc to found out if there is
anything useful in it.

 

Did you do it?

All of which is essentially irrelevant if you did it.

Which, unfortunately, isn't illegal.

Don't waste your time. Legal types, both Judges and Lawyers, tend to get
pissed off at frivolous cases and if you piss off the judge you may cop more
costs.
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:25:46 +1000

The difficulty is that BVR's in Vic.

It's now *law* there, or at least regulation, that the leeway is 3km/h.

You are required to know your speed. How you do it is your problem.
That the ADR has a 10% leeway isn't going to change that, what it means
is that if you know it could read 10% fast you have to travel 10% under
the limit.

Remember that the speed limit is not a *minimum*. You are not required
to travel at it, you are required to be sure you don't exceed it.


Zebee

 

While I was heading down to see the guys at Superbikes I was pinged
for 105 in a 100 zone (aboard Minx's bike).

I'd suggest moving out of Victoria, the coppers and guvmint are weird
down there.


BTH

 

The difficulty is that BVR's in Vic.

They have have lotsa cool laws now in Vic.

A quite popular one is when it was found that pretty much all the fixed cameras on
the western ring road were fucked and reading faster speeds, they worked out how much
they had to pay back to busted motorists, said **** that, and passed a law that says they
don't have to pay it back. And this was after they said they would.

So even if you did fight a ticket in Vic, and proved the camera was fucked, they still keep
your cash.

 

You only lose one point
is it worth all the aggro?

 

this is a victorian matter
Here its 7 kmh -3
the cameras are calibrated to 67 kmh then 3 kmh deduction hence the 64kmh.

don't believe the + or- bullshit.

 

WE ARE TALKING VICTORIA

 

Coppers will not get you for that the cameras will.
Coppers apply a different tolerance especially for bikes.
cameras are not as forgiving.

 

Care to back this up with fact?
All the motorists pinged were paid back.

 

If you're licence is currently clean, and this being a fairly minor fine,
then a letter might do it. Two people at work posted letters ADMITTING to
speeding and apologising, grovelling a bit, never do it again, realise how
dangerous it can be, etc and both got off. Both had been infringement free
for 5 years +.

If that doesn't work then pay up.

zip

 

Yeah Im willing to lose up to 500 bucks to make a prick of myself over
this issue. The law is an ass.

 

"Stan Gifford - APAC command centre manager"

Unfortunately that's 10% over, not under reading.
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

 

You could try telling the teacher a dog ate your homework, I bet
that's never been tried before either.

Don't bother with the 10% thing, because His Beakitude will just ask
you "So if you suspected your speedo could be 10% out, why didn't
you drive at an indicated 55?"

-----sharks