4x4 Drivers

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Cab, Jan 5, 2007.

  1. Cab

    Cab Guest

    Read in a French rag:

    4x4 drivers are apparently the worst drivers of all car drivers
    following a study by the New Scientist (backed up by the NZ mag,
    Transportation Research. 55% of drivers of these vehicles are likely to
    drive one handed on motorways. The main reason is that these drivers
    think that they're much safer and their risk perceptions are diminished
    as a result.

    Also, one 4x4 driver in 12 uses a mobile phone whilst driving which is
    four times higher than other drivers. Around 20% don't wear seatbelts
    against 15% for other drivers. The risk of dying in a 4x4 that turns
    over, is twice as much as other cars.

    Apparently the British Medical Journal asked that 4x4 drivers carry
    some sort of sign showing that they're dangerous vehicles!

    God knows what 4x4 Volvo drivers are like.
     
    Cab, Jan 5, 2007
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  2. Cab

    Ace Guest

    First off - *Ginge*.
    Secondly, it was SUV drivers, not 4x4. There's a difference, you know.
    *Ahem*

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  3. Cab wrote
    New Scientist mate? Lost their credibility ain't they? And so I expect
    will the sheep shagging tree huggers they share bodily fluids with.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 5, 2007
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    platypus Guest

    One-handed on motorways? The safest, straightest roads on the planet, where
    you need to be gripping the wheel with both white-knuckled hands at every
    split second lest you cartwheel to flaming death?

    "From the moment his hands left the 10 to 2 position, his fate was sealed."
     
    platypus, Jan 5, 2007
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  5. Cab

    Cab Guest

    A French ginge? Argh.
    In the French rag, it specifically said 4x4 drivers (and also commented
    on people carriers)
    <G> At least I got a nibble! :)
     
    Cab, Jan 5, 2007
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    Nige Guest

    What a load ofbollocks, this is just like saying all bikers are shite
    riders just because they ride a bike.

    I have been driving 4x4's for years & have never even come close to any
    of the bollocks they spout.

    Sorry, but all this anti 4x4 stuff is misinformed crap & nothing else.
     
    Nige, Jan 5, 2007
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    Vass Guest

    I beg to differ
    The morning school run in Surrey is flooded with Surrey Tractors driven[1]
    by mums, doing their makeup, on their mobile and shouting at their kids
    all this instead of actually concentrating on the road ahead.
    of course they are all in my way while I am trying to get to work :)
    [1] loose term

    ah.. I bit, did'nt I
     
    Vass, Jan 5, 2007
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    ogden Guest

    Do you live in the middle of Dartmoor, or do you just find it the ideal
    vehicle for running over coons, darkies and other assorted nignogs?
     
    ogden, Jan 5, 2007
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    Ace Guest

    Well I suppose there are certain types of drivers who behave like that
    regardless of what vehicle they're in. Sadly a lot of them seem to be
    keen on urban tractors for whatever reason, but it shouldn't be
    assumed that there's any causal link between standards of driving and
    choice of vehicle, which is what this sort of article implies

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    Ace, Jan 5, 2007
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  10. Cab

    Eddie Guest

    Absolutely. "Correlation does not imply causation."
     
    Eddie, Jan 5, 2007
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  11. Cab

    Pete Fisher Guest

    In communiqué <>, Cab
    As I mentioned in a previous thread, as the owner of a CR-V for two
    years I have an inkling of the risk perception bit. Never encouraged me
    to drive on the phone, one handed, or not wear a belt, but the 4x4
    effect did prompt the odd banzai moment on wet roundabouts - reasonably
    quick for an SUV it was and it surprised many the driver of something
    much more sporty (not also 4x4) in non-perfect grip conditions.

    Is the turning over bit an increased risk of dying once it has turned
    over, or an increased risk of turning it over in the first place? The
    later seems intuitive, although I could hustle the Honda around twisty
    bits fairly well without feeling too much like a galleon in a high wind.


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    Nige Guest

    Nope, it's not about biting, I do see a lot of folk doing the school run
    in 4x4's. Most 4x4's take up no more road space than a decent sized
    saloon car. There are loads of argumants either way, but as it stands we
    are free to drive what we want (and pay for)

    Also, all the things you say above about mothers & kids etc does happen
    in other types of vehicle, not just 4x4's you know ;)
     
    Nige, Jan 5, 2007
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    Nige Guest

    hehehehe - very funny indeed. It's a hobby, a bit like motorcycling is
    for some. Also, i need a mode of transport that can carry people
    comfortably & also carry work equipment. A decent 4x4 can do both
    without the need for a car & a van.
     
    Nige, Jan 5, 2007
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    Vass Guest

    I guess you're right, but I just don't notice them so much
    and, to be fair, it is just 4x4's that are left half curbed on yellow lines
    just becasue their husbands own a company and they don't gove a toss about
    parkign fines
    (but thats another matter entirely)
     
    Vass, Jan 5, 2007
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I thought that the risks were primarily that of being less able to
    brake hard, partly because of the tyres and partly because the
    handling is poorer than road cars, so you're less able to avoid an
    accident in the first place. The high CofG also makes them more prone
    to rolling if one does get it sideways.

    The older designs at least were also supposed to have piss poor
    secondary safety, so if one did crash, one was more likely to get
    hurt. Dunno about modern ones, though.

    Given that many offroad 4x4s are quite heavy and many are soft tops,
    IWHT that the cab crushing in a roll might be more likely.

    The common factor with these badly driven Chelsea Tractors outside
    schools, though, is surely that there are wimmin driving them?
     
    Pip Luscher, Jan 5, 2007
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  16. Champ wrote
    I don't drive one handed, it takes me both hands to skin up.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 5, 2007
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    Lozzo Guest

    Champ says...
    In the Golf I'd go into 'cruise control mode', that is pull seat back a
    couple of notches so I can straighten my right leg and plant the
    accelerator pedal to the floor, left leg bent up so I can wedge the
    steering wheel with my right knee which leaves both hands free to roll a
    couple of fags to smoke on the drive home and drink the coffee I bought
    at the last roadside tea hut.
     
    Lozzo, Jan 5, 2007
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  18. Cab

    Lozzo Guest

    Lozzo says...
    ^^^^^

    Arse, I meant left knee. I'm not that oddly shaped.
     
    Lozzo, Jan 5, 2007
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    Pip Guest

    That may be your definition, but who is going to give it credence when
    uttered by a fucktard such as you, who cannot control his line length
    and posts a binary to a text-only newsgroup?
     
    Pip, Jan 5, 2007
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    Switters Guest

    Na, he's a norvern monkey, so **** him.
     
    Switters, Jan 5, 2007
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