40 going on 4

There are several conditions here, that you have not shared with us.. Were
those bikers coming in or were they leaving ? If they were parking their
bikes to go into that establishment, you should know that most Harley riders
will rev their engines a few times to clear the carbs.. force of habit.. and
not necessary on the later models..

Without defending those riders, if they were coming in or going out, only
requires a few short minutes .. Surely yours and those other people have a
patience tolerance to accept that short lived interruption.. If not, maybe
you shouldn't be out in the public.. See what I'm saying here..? City buses
are also very obnoxious with noise and black smoke..

What .. in your mind.. should law enforcement have done to those bikers.. ??

As a result, the public thinks they

Much of the public have preconceived ideas about bikers, anyway.. Without
thinking they'll associate a biker with an outlaw image.. They'll react
accordingly.. Been there done that and bought the cap.. They don't realize
that some of the pillars of communties and government are riding
motorcycles..

My impression from you is that those bikers sat in the parking lot revving
their engines for an extended period of time.. That being the case, those
were posers and not bikers.. In that case .. management of the restaurant
should have been advised and suggested to take appropriate action to correct
the disturbance.. If this was a brief disturbance of duration of a few
short minutes while those bikers were parking or leaving.. suck it up and
exercise patience..

You're no stranger to motorcycles and bikers.. Don't allow prejudice against
Bikers style and their rides persuade you to endorse action that would
impose on them.. Who knows, you may encounter the same prejudice next time
you pull into a place that doesn't approve of your type motorcycle and the
way you are riding it.. It does happen, Mick.. Harley riders are know to be
the most discriminating of all bikers..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

If you are under the impression that this a new phenomenon, you are
mistaken.. The incident I reported in Oklahoma took place almost twenty
years ago..

 

<> (Laws).....Unfortunately they aren't using them. As a result, the
public thinks they need to propose outright bans of motorcycles in
certain areas rather than insisting that the cops enforce what's already
on the books.
___________________________________
Mick McHam   Houston, Tx
<><>><><><><<>><<><><><>><><><<>
Personally, I don't think the majority of regular citizens (public) are
that concerned about Motorcycles "roaring" here and there, because there
are so many "Bikers" these (modern) days. I bet you could pick 100
folks, out at the Mall, and ask em "do you feel that motorcycles are too
loud, and should be banned"?
<>I would guess, that maybe 20% would complain. Because, there is such
a variety of the "types" of folks that Ride Bikes, these
days....Lawyers, Doctors,
plumbers, electricians,accountants, salesman, iron workers, ministers,
the CMA associations, and many more ordinary folks, AND I say...the 75%
that were okay, that had no complaint, probably, knows some minister or
some one that has a Motorcylce in his Garage, and thinks thats
"cool".......so dont get excited, Mick, you and I will have the
privaledge of owning as many Bikes as we wanna, and have them as Quite
or as loud as we desire... for many moons to come....huh? hmmmm?

<>haveAgoodDay-Bjay<>

 

whoo ... hoooo.. ain't that gospel.. I can't imagine telling ol' Rick to get
rid of 'em because they look too damn good.. huh ?

 

As it turns out.. three motorcycles were involved .. Still don't know if
they were just clearing carbs for parking or start up.. If they were just
sitting in the parking lot revving and romping, they were just some yuppies
with wannabe complexes...LOL

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

That I know of, I wasn't in the area of a biker hangout. It was just

Bill, whether they were clearing the carbs (yes they were arriving) or
whether they were just showing off really doesn't matter one whit to the
general public. All I and the people around me knew was that they were
subjected to a needless sonic barrage. They would have probably never
noticed these guys if they'd had the stock Harley mufflers (which I think
sound great) or some equivalent. But because they had straight pipes, they
imposed on others with their racket. Like it or not, personal freedom or
not, when you go pissing off the general public, they're gonna eventually
get enough and bite back at some point. Unfortunately, as I've mentioned
already, when they do bite back it's liable to be via laws that affect all
of us, even those of us who don't do straight pipes and don't bother the
public.
__________________________________
Mick McHam Houston, Tx
'99 ST1100ABS STOC# 1134
'99 VFR800FI
website: http://www.hal-pc.org/~mmcham

 

Confiscation of private property gets to be a sticky thing.

just keep upping the fine and impound the car for non-payment when it
gets high enough. Sell it at auction to cover the fees.

re: Rule #1 of the book on The War on Some Drugs.

Correlation to Rule #1: Forces will be influenced to gradually broaden
their definition of violations as they learn how their coffers bulge
from the enforcement of Rule #1.

 

I understand exactly what you are saying.. Unfortunately, there are many
annoyances when we go out in the public..
My good friend Jailcall has offered a reasonable suggestion .. "Why didn't
you just request them to mellow out"..There are many irritants that everyone
is exposed to in public.. Show offs on motorcycles are just one of them..
Come on now, Mick..

All I and the people around me knew was that they were

The inconvenience of that sonic barrage lasted, how long ? Your location on
a public street and in an open area.. patio type cafe, wasn't it ? Not
really isolated, makes you just a bit more vulnerable to intrusions of noise
and/or interruption.. In your case, it was three motorcycles..

Like it or not, personal freedom or

That is true.. Freeway shootings take place because of irritation of the
public, frequently..Thin skinned people who are particularly sensitive to
certain elements should avoid areas where they will be susceptible.. Three
motorcycles on a public street or thorofare don't constitute an imposition..
I wasn't there, and mine or anyone else's opinion is strictly unqualified,
but I will agree with Jailcall, if the situation were of such magnitude and
duration, you or one of the other patrons should have asked for relief from
someone . management, etc..

Unfortunately, as I've mentioned

LOL.. yep.. many examples of disgruntled public biting back is on the books
as laws, right now.. With all due respect to your busy life, we all have
responsibilities, consider taking a look at TMRA II or ABATE.. Their
interests are legislative issues which affect motorcyclists and the general
public..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

First of all .. your comment about the "mexico sounding" exhaust systems is
more than offensive.. Secondly, if there are that many irritants on public
highways and streets for you, then perhaps ordinances to protect the general
public from you should be examined.. The "faster than a bullet" comment only
confirms that you just might be more of a threat than any motorcyclist, no
matter how loud his pipes are..

Since, I've had previous experience with you..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

I just wanted to start by saying: You're an idiot with that final
statement (as if the rest wasn't enough).

It's kinda hard for a blowhard like yourself to get any "laws" put
into effect anyway when you won't even get involved in the system.
Just sitting at the VFW hall shooting pool with the other rednecks
won't do anything but impress yourselves. It doesn't impress me.

Oh, and your "mexico sounding" statement is an offensive piece of
trash...from an offensive piece of trash.

If you don't like the sound of these pipes, stay your 'loser ass'(tm)
out of the street.

 

Selectivity is the problem. LEOs are working on them and one option is
a barrier strip across the street that, as the car passes and make
contact, overloads the ECU.

 

Well now.. Albert.. you've run rampant through this thread.. Each of your
little rants get a bit nastier and a little more aggressive than the last..

Mick McHam posted a pretty good issue that he experienced.. No need for a
flame war to commence, as determined as you seem to create one..

All you childish rantings is doing very little more than make yourself look
even more foolish than you are.. Actually, since you have no record of
participation in the passing or defeating any of the legislation that
affects motorcycle enthusiasts, then your comments are like the ones of
people who don't vote.. Just STFU.. Right, wrong or indifferent, you don't
have a stake in the legislative results.. And all your little feel good
rants, are irrelevant. I don't believe you are going to create a flame war
over this issue.. Thanks

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

With regards to public areas, cities, towns, etc. I don't agree with
those types of things and you know it.

Private business, etc. Sure, do whatever you want.

I STILL have a real issue with asshole cops that feel a need to
harrass bikers all the time. Just drives me nuts.

Then again, look at all the asshole bikers out there breaking the law
all the time!

hehe, I've been known to make fun of people when I probably shouldn't.
;-)

But, I wouldn't knowingly go to a place that I don't want to be and
then complain about it. That's just moronic, yet people do it all the
time.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Just out of curiosity, is the ban against all bikes or just bikes that
have straight pipes and violate noise ordinances?

BTW - I don't have straight pipes, I ride a sport bike. But I do have
performance pipes and I know that technically they are illegal.
However, they are nothing compared to some of these little-dick-big-v
guys.

(ducking the tomatoes and beer bottles)



--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Even if it's not the loud bikes, we have plenty of squids that are
endangering the lives of people on the highway every day.
Surprisingly, they just don't see it. I don't mean they don't care
(they don't) but they don't even see how they are a danger to everyone
else, either.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

I don't particularly have a big issue with a noise ordinance. I do
have an issue with it being enforced only on bikers and not on
vehicles that can be heard from three blocks away.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

a confiscated vehicle for a noise violation? That's a bit harsh,
don't you think?

Funny you say that. I was at the International Motorcycle Show last
year (BTW - coming up next weekend) and was waiting in line to get
some earplugs.

A bunch of Harley guys walked by and said something to the effect of
"what do I need earplugs for? I can't hear a damned thing anyway."

Needless to say I just started laughing to myself and thinking "what a
moron."


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

speaking of legislative failures, I see the folks you supported got just
about run out of the state this last election.

perhaps you are out touch with the vast majority of voting texans.

you are also one who runs straight pipes. the general public sees it
as some fool on a loud crappy bike making unnecessary noise.

if figures the two would go together. you are part of the problem, not
the solution. if noise ordinances and/or exhaust controls are made
stiffer, or current regulations become enforced to the letter of the
law, you can thank yourself for having contributed to that happening.

 

If people used common sense there'd be no outcry for more laws on
issues that are already addressed by what exists on the books.

That people clamor for slavery proves beyond a doubt that common sense
isn't common.

 

There you go, talking about me again.. behind my back, as usual... LMAO...
Are you saying that I'm a clear and present danger whenever I mount that
Vulcan and hit the road.. I resent that, Fullstate.. Shame.. Shame on
you..

Between the damned weather and female doctors, I don't know when I will be
getting out again.. Hmmm.. sure am hungry for some catfish, though..

Stay safe, pard.. See you soon..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker