250GP vs 600s

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Julian Bond, Jun 26, 2008.

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    Julian Bond Guest

    This one is fascinating to watch. Try this idea on for size.

    A production motorcycle is one that is homologated for WSB, Superstock
    1000 or WSS600. The limits are rising to 3000 per year. If it's not
    homologated for this, it must be a prototype and therefore eligible for
    use in a GP formula. In other words, what used to be called a
    homologation special, a short run special version of a road bike, *may*
    get round the FIM-FGSport agreement.

    Of course the problem is that no manufacturer has ever produced a short
    run 600 special. But imagine that Honda produce a run of 100-500
    CBR600-RRSP with sand cast cases, barrels and heads. They could
    effectively create a one make replacement for 250GP. The bike would be
    like a Ten Kate WSS600 bike with any level of tune desired by the rules
    and at pretty much any price point from a Ten Kate WSS600 upwards. And
    you could imagine them selling engines to somebody like Moriwaki but
    being Honda they'd probably be leased and you wouldn't be able to get
    one without the right connections. And all the indications are that
    Honda want a one make Honda series.

    And it's hard to imagine Suzuki or Kawasaki doing the same short run of
    a competitive bike and a bit of a stretch to imagine Yamaha doing it.
    Ducati know how to do this, with their long history of homologation
    specials, but they don't have a 4 and aren't likely to any time soon.

    Now Dorna want to try and keep the price down, because one of the big
    stumbling blocks at the moment is Aprilia lease costs. So they're
    talking about dumb 1999 ECUs and carburettors! Along with steel valve
    springs, cam limits, crank/conrod/piston limits. The way they're talking
    it sounds like they want something sub-WSS600. Carbs, ferchrissake!
    Imagine a 120hp AMA FX [1] formula produced from bikes that never had a
    headlight in the first place.

    But now look at KTM. They've got experience of supplying a whole series
    with bikes and they've got a 990-V4 back in the workshop. It would be a
    big step but I think they know how to build a prototype 500-twin in
    enough numbers and at a profit to produce a KTM one make series. And
    they're just crazy enough to take on Honda politically. KTM are on a
    roll at the moment and have big ambition. It's just about feasible that
    Aprilia could join them and produce a short run 500-twin based on the
    work they've done with their coming V4 or their SV450/550.

    One further thought. If Aprilia is snubbed by all this, would Piaggio
    throw their hands up and just leave 125? Or are 125GP Aprilias/Gileras
    and Derbis just too important as a marketing tool for their road bikes
    and scooters? Because KTM could turn 125GP into a one make series as
    well.

    So as well as FGSport-FIM vs Dorna-IRTA is this shaping up into a Honda
    vs KTM-Aprilia battle? With the other Japanese factories and Ducati
    standing on the sidelines because they can take it or leave it.

    [1]Oh. Wait. You mean like Daytona SBK?
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 26, 2008
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Comment in the middle of a post-Donington Motorcycle News Article.
    Presumably somebody somewhere said it within ear shot of the reporter.
    And "not-homologated for WSB = Prototype" is similar semantics.
    Quite. Next stop, an engine claiming rule.
    A one make formula or a two make formula with a gentleman's agreement
    could keep the costs under control. There's no real reason why a Honda
    spec series should be any cheaper or more expensive than a KTM spec
    series. Where the costs really start spiralling is when it's competitive
    between factories.
    Who knows. Given enough coffee and opera they'll consider anything.
    Some of us don't have a problem with MotoGP, 250, 125, SBK, WSS600 all
    being "World" championships.
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 26, 2008
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    just bob Guest

    I hate to see this change but if this is what it will take to get the junior
    classes to Laguna Seca.
     
    just bob, Jun 26, 2008
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Well if there's no DGM racing at Laguna during MotoGP weekend, there's
    no reason the other two classes can't come over just as they will for
    Indianapolis
     
    Julian Bond, Jun 27, 2008
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