[QUOTE="Ben Blaney"] That's always been my view. I want a new phone, and I want a good one, but I specifically want one without a camera in it. This specification is proving demanding to fulfill.[/QUOTE] Same here. I don't need a camera phone. But I wanted Bluetooth, IRDA and a decent (colour) screen. And it had to be Ericsson (because Nokia have broken their Bluetooth implementation). The only options I found were a T610 and Z600. T-Mobile offered me a T610 for £30 as an upgrade, or over £100 for a Z600......