I regret a post I made toward another viewer, aka, Jonathon Swift, in the thread line/subject Re: Any thoughts.We were discussing buying a Bike at a dealer and this and that, and eventually got on the subject of ''affording a Harley'. I said, something to the effect that maybe Jonathon, couldnt afford a Harley!- Earlier, he said something about only a stooge would pay Top Retail Dollar, for a Harley. He also called me a dumbass, for assuming that he couldn't afford one.Then he became pretty arrogant, that he did buy a 2000 Harley and that he paid cash, at retail price. (note, I wonder why he thought my soNlaw was a stooge for paying retail for his, oh well, that's okay)He ended up, not liking the Harley , saying it was not much of a Bike, as for as '' performance'', and he was very dissatisfied, and so on. And he got rid of it!He did some name calling toward my sonNlaw' like''stooge'', of which I thought was unCalled for, because we were discussing a motorcycle topic, I didnt understand the need for the ''name calling''.To me, It seemed symbolic of an angry poster. ---back to my main regret--------- I regret, that I let it irritate me. I regret that I referred to Jonathon's life style as being ''pathetic''. Here's about what I said. ----------quote--------- ''So, at one time, in your pathetic little life, you let YOUR silly ass, overload your demented mind'.and bought you one of them overPriced Harley machines.'',eh?I regret saying pathetic. I now know, that was unCalled for,and, a bad choice, in using that word!. I would not want anyone referring to MY life, as being, pathetic. BUT I meant the other derogatory remarks, ''silly ass'', and ''demented mind'' no apologies here.Sincerely yours, BjayKana
your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. do you understand the difference between retail and msrp? obviously not. as originally stated, I paid msrp per HD after shopping around many dealers across the state who wanted more than msrp. your boy paid retail (several thousand over msrp) to the first dealer he walked into and consequently he got raped on the price. $20k+ for any Softail model HD is several thousand over msrp from HD. as for arrogant, you assumed and intimated that I couldn't afford and had never owned any HD. I merely pointed out your errors; not only had I owned and ridden my FLHRCI for several years, it was purchased new and paid for cash in full at an uninflated price. if it's arrogant not to get raped for a few extra thousand dollars by the $tealership like your boy did, then so be it. I hope enjoys his ride because he's certainly paying more than was necessary.
not only that, he totally missed where I said I had a Road King for several years and bought it at msrp during the height of the feculators. It will really piss them off to know when I sold it, I got back what I paid because I bought it way out of town and didn't pay over msrp. The buyer of my RK here in Houston, where the dealers are routinely 3 Grand or more over msrp, was happy to get such a great deal. My exterminator routinely bought his Glides in Missouri, brought them back here and sold them for what he paid after a year or two and he did that several times. It's the real meaning of "Ride Free". Silly people who can't take the time to shop around and buy on impulse get what they deserve.
This constantly amazes me about Harley-Davidson. They sell almost 300,000 bikes a year, and have over 50% of the total cruiser market, but they can somehow still maintain an "aura of exclusivity" that makes many people perfectly happy to pay thousands of dollars **over** MSRP and/or wait on a list just to own one. Say what you want about Harley-Davidson, but their marketing folks are gods!! Any MBA-types in here? How is H-D managing to have it both ways, portraying themselves as being exclusive AND having 4.6 BILLION dollars in annual sales?? Scott Gardner
It's the $tealerships who are doing the mark-up, it's illegal for the MoCo to set prices. They post the MSRP for every model on their website and product literature so it's not their fault if people are stupid and overpay. HD doesn't make any extra money from the surcharges, that all goes to the $tealership. Texas is one of the worst markets for that. Why anyone would pay over list for a mass produced commodity is beyond me. there is no shortage, never has been. They sell an all american bad boy image, or as they call it. "a lifestyle". for a few thousand dollars, you can be sonny barger or marlon brando (never mind marlon rode triumph in "the wild ones"), replete with patches and a ready made gang to ride with. there are a lot of folks who want/need to buy a life, especially at middle age, when time is taking its toll. it's fun for a while and then the thrill wears off. look at the want ads and see how many low mileage used HDs are listed. I love the ones that say "over $25,000.00 invested, only 900 miles". Invested ? bwahahahahaha! It's a fashion and social thing in many ways. This too shall pass and it will get back to the much fewer folks who actually ride the damn things more than 1000 miles a year and who are interested in the machinery for what it is and what they can do with it from a serious hobby standpoint. those are two very different schools of HD ownership and a lot of the long timers haven't liked what's been going on in the HD fashion world for a while.
People look at MSRP like it's some sort of blue book value system. I wouldn't even pay MSRP on a Harley Davidson....or anything else. I pay what I feel it's worth to own...and thus far, I haven't paid anything. As with the Sony marketing people. They have a machine called "PS2" (Playstation 2) on the market. It's been on the market for about 5 years. It's only dropped in price about $50 from when it first hit the market. They just did a "update" to it, changing nothing more than making the case slimmer. They released the "new model" just before Thanksgiving and didn't ship. They claimed it was a "shipping problem". People were scrambling to get their hands on one for Christmas. Keep in mind, this is 5 year old technology. People were paying mint prices for these things. To put it in terms of personal computers, it's like having a Pentium 200Mhz computer and changing the look of the case and saying "hey, we're releasing a new model"....then not ship it so people would want it. To put it in terms of cars, it's like what Ford is doing with the Mustang (a throw back to the Mach1) and the new "Five Hundred" (remember the Galaxy 500?). Also, look at what Cadillac and Chrysler is doing with their cars....they look like old Imperials of the day. Whatever happened to the good gas mileage cars we were going to 20 years ago? The cars now are getting worse gas mileage than they were back then. They started back in the mid 80s by showing everyone that this was the motorcycle they've always wanted...but their parents wouldn't let them have. Once they got that thought going, they simply started a thing that people were having problems buying the one's they wanted. The motor company never said that, but some of the rags would make comments like "waited months for the bike of their dreams". The motor company then started producing "special editions" and "collectors editions"....not to forget the "anniversary editions" they built every other year. People looking at these bikes would think that if they didn't buy one today, they wouldn't get one....and that meant at any price. It kept going and going. You start off slowly by putting a seed in people's heads and playing all the fields until there's a bite. After that, it's just easy money. Look at the "Texas Edition" Ford and Chevy (not to be out-done by Dodge) trucks....there's no difference between those and the one's in Pennsylvania other than a little emblem, but people will get all over themselves trying to buy one. The marketing people throughout the world know that Texas has the stupidest people in it....and they take every advantage of it.
(another Viewer responds) BJAY says----Then he became pretty arrogant, that he did buy a 2000 Harley and that he paid cash, at retail price. (note, I wonder why he thought my soNlaw was a stooge for paying retail for his, oh well, that's okay)----------AV below----- your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. do you understand the difference between retail and msrp? obviously not.as originally stated, I paid msrp per HD after shopping around many dealers across the state who wanted more than msrp.your boy paid retail (several thousand over msrp) to the first dealer he walked into and consequently he got raped on the price. $20k+ for any Softail model HD is several thousand over msrp from HD. as for arrogant, you assumed and intimated that I couldn't afford and had never owned any HD I II merely pointed out your errors; not only had I owned and ridden my FLHRCI for several years, it was purchased new and paid for cash in full at an uninflated price. if it's arrogant not to get raped for a few extra thousand dollars by the $tealership like your boy did, then so be it. > I hope he enjoys his ride because he's certainly paying more than was necessary.------------------BJAY comments------------- Actually AV, I agree, with the part about my SonLaw paying ''way too!'' much. Furthermore, he didnt shop, that I know of. He's the type that buys what he wants. He wanted this HD, he liked the color etc. Money is no object, to him(!)-You kinow what, Bud, he didnt feel raped atall, he felt like he'd made passionate love.and it boosted his ego, (I reckon.I guess?) To him, it's owning a Harley, by God.As for as a HARLEY costing a fortune, add it up. He paid about 16,500 (about), added $500 pipes, $300 Bags, $200 passenger floorboards, $250 Shield, $120 for a Temp gage, & clock both fit on Handle Bars, etc. $150 for Harley Garage Door opener, $250 Engine guards. total=$17800, I am guessing on some of these prices. Also, some stuff was on the Harley, on the floor @ the Harley StealerShip.Now, lets add almost 9% STax. that brings it up to approximately $19,000. (honestly, I am estimating, mostly.)But, AV, when he arrived here by surprise, with the GoldMine Harley, something was mentioned about it being in the neighborhood of 19 to 20 grand.See my point, when I first posted the humor about him not being able to Ride, cuz of no Riding licenses, and paying a small fortune for a motorcycle, only then cood he ride it...or something like that! Get It?See my ''funny/huorous'' point.?PeeS? --AV, did your 2000 Harley have lots of stuff on it, when ya rode away from the wholesale StealerShip, that you were So fortunate to have found in your expertise efforts,, of ''shoppin' skills''? BTW, money IS AN Object with me, I should have been born Jewish, but I ---------------------bjay---------------------- --
I remember reading the specs on the PS2 and XBox when they hit the market. They were comparable to a high end PC at that time...with great graphics. Today, secretaries have workstations sitting on their desks that will put either the PS2 or XBox technology to shame....and the secretary is complaining "it's too slow...I can't get my solitaire and listen to music while I check mail". If you put it in all other technology, the PS2 and XBox should be worth about $20. Instead, they're still popping $149 on the low end with no games and one controller....and people are proud they get them at that price. I don't "get it". Gamers are some strange breeds.
Is that 256 MB **per SPE core**? If so, that's 2 Gigs of total RAM, plus whatever the main CPU itself can address. Combine that with the 64-bit processing, 90-nanometer die process, 4.5 Ghz clock speed (so far) and large amounts of cache memory (2 MB of level 2 cache spread across the 9 chips, plus 32 kB of level 1 cache on the main CPU), and this seriously looks like it would take any current-generation P4 or Athlon and make it it's bitch. Time will tell regarding how well they implement parallelism into the software, but judging from the hardware, it looks like they're starting off with a good platform. Scott Gardner
(another viewer)< ---- -----Morgan Kane--writes---- -------IceMan wrote:---- I for one think it was very big of you to apoligize. I still think Morgan Kane is a idiot for calling me a "DIPSHIT" . it also makes me think that his inability to afford a Harley is a sore spot for him.He got mad because he could not afford one and your sonNlaw could. I dont hold what a person rides against him. ( it would not be a good economical choice for me to buy one at this time) but I dont use that to fuel my anger towards other that can buy one.Anyways just to be sure everyone understands what I am saying I will requote myself. "Morgan Kane is an IDIOT!" --IceMan-----morgan kane below says----- (and referring to the iceman) You are a dipshit and a fucking retard. If you had followed the group you would have known that I just bought a Harley. Now, pay attention.... ---**** off retard.--- Now, fetch...----another viewer says, below----- not only that, he totally missed where I said I had a Road King for several years and bought it at msrp during the height of the feculators.It will really piss them off to know when I sold it, I got back what I paid because I bought it way out of town and didn't pay over msrp. The buyer of my RK here in Houston, where the dealers are routinely 3 Grand or more over msrp, was happy to get such a great deal. My exterminator routinely bought his Glides in Missouri, brought them back here and sold them for what he paid after a year or two and he did that several times. It's the real meaning of "Ride Free".Silly people who can't take the time to shop around and buy on impulse get what they deserve.---the nother viewer--------------bjay comments------------ say AV, above you say ''he'' totally missed where you said you had a Road King for several years. Were you referring to me, in our discussion? I acknowledged that you said you bought a Harley and got a good deal, etc. I thought that was good??Let me ask, what does ''height'' of the fecualtors mean??????? (above?)Wow, I'm impressed with your exterminator. Now that guy can wheel and deal? I admire that. I do that, but, I buy used Bikes, always have and usually get atleast 85-90% of my original investment back. I don't buy any new vehicles. I have bought two new vehicles in my time. I just can't do it. Never been ''stung''.Talking about ''impulse'' buying. I read somewhere, where ''Men'' are the worst at impulse buying, and it is because Guys, buy more ''toys'' than women. And they let their silly asses, over load thier ''practical demented minds''. They want what they want, and they buy it, regardless.! Now, this is regardless, if they can't afford it, AND IF their kids need shoes, groceries, the cable is over due.....by god, they will find a way to buy.I have always been pretty practical. I have missed some good deals, from thinking to long........-----bjay-------- 'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--
oh yah, he's another in a long line who got bit by the bug and the salesman saw it coming. fwiw, i was perusing the houston chronicle wantads as i do from time to time, never know what you will run across, and the following listings are just what we are talking about: ever the optimists: 03 883 Sportster 100th Ann. 300 miles 10,500.00 obo (they don't go for that new) 02 Screamin Eagle Road King 1500 miles 23,500.00 03 Heritage Springer Ann. 990 miles, 23,500 and here's a good deal 04 Low Rider 987 miles, windshield, sissy bar, chrome front end 12,000.00 oh yah, hell, i hope he's happy. Nope, it came in as ordered and the only adds were what I specified. That loaded-up-bike-on-the-showroom-floor is a standard trick; they charge you for the optional parts plus the installation labor and then you don't get the parts they took off. Jacks the price and margins up for the $tealer and they get to reuse the stock parts that were replaced. I don't mind spending the money for something of value but I hate being ripped off, especially in an organized manner as some places will do. So did they give your cuzzin a free shirt with the new ride ?
no, Iceman totally misread the thread, yer doing just fine. a term coined in rec.motorcycles.harley combination of the the word "speculator" and "feces" i shouldn't have to explain it further <g> he was the guy who told be about how to Ride Free, and it works if you are in the right market. if you've done your homework, the deals will be readily apparent as will the ripoffs.
-----another viewer------ (talking about how folks buy the Harleys, pay the big bucks, and many of them or trying to sell em', within months) AV writes) I was perusing the houston chronicle wantads as i do from time to time, never know what you will run across, and the following listings are just what we are talking about:ever the optimists: 03 883 Sportster 100th Ann. 300 miles 10,500.00 obo (they don't go for that new) 02 Screamin Eagle Road King 1500 miles 23,500.00 03 Heritage Springer Ann. 990 miles, 23,500 and here's a good deal 04 Low Rider 987 miles, windshield, sissy bar, chrome front end 12,000.00---------bjay writes----------- Oh yeah, I see it all the time, my self. Whats humorous to me, is, the Harley machine is suppose to be an Investment. Suppose to be worth even more, after you Ride it a while. I say bull Butter, they're just like all the other motorcycles, one can loose ones ''ass, a lotta money'', if, and when they try to get Rid of them Harleys'.I will say, in the long run, the Harley will stand the time of being worth more than my Honda machine. yes. BUT, Look how much they have to pay for that to happen.When one buys a new Honda at the Store, and U want to put afterMarket stuff on it, they will sell it at their price, almost like wholesale. My son, bought his there, and they let him have a nice shield for a considerable discount. I know, cause I saw the same shield in JCwhitney, and ithere was about a $100 difference.You don't think Harley stores will do that for their victums? (grin) --bjay-- 'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--
I was talking to a woman last night about a Playstation 2 and Sony's marketing. She said "I don't think you're correct, if there's a demand then they (Sony) would capitalize on it and supply the demand and make their money faster". I simply replied "that's why you're not working for Sony or Harley Davidson in their marketing departments".
Actually, you're wrong. That very idea is what put Honda on the map in export markets around the world...including this country. This is what caused Harley Davidson to take a hard hit from Honda. Remember "You meet the nicest people on a Honda"? That one slogan launched Honda into a different category and made it's success around the world. Honda just hasn't tried to sell a "lifestyle" since that slogan. It certainly doesn't mean they couldn't.
(another viewer)< ---- -----Morgan Kane--writes---- -------IceMan wrote:---- I for one think it was very big of you to apoligize. I still think Morgan Kane is a idiot for calling me a "DIPSHIT" . it also makes me think that his inability to afford a Harley is a sore spot for him.He got mad because he could not afford one and your sonNlaw could. I dont hold what a person rides against him. ( it would not be a good economical choice for me to buy one at this time) but I dont use that to fuel my anger towards other that can buy one.Anyways just to be sure everyone understands what I am saying I will requote myself. "Morgan Kane is an IDIOT!" --IceMan-----morgan kane below says----- (and referring to the iceman) You are a dipshit and a fucking retard. If you had followed the group you would have known that I just bought a Harley. Now, pay attention.... ---**** off retard.--- Now, fetch...----another viewer says, below----- not only that, he totally missed where I said I had a Road King for several years and bought it at msrp during the height of the feculators.It will really piss them off to know when I sold it, I got back what I paid because I bought it way out of town and didn't pay over msrp. The buyer of my RK here in Houston, where the dealers are routinely 3 Grand or more over msrp, was happy to get such a great deal. My exterminator routinely bought his Glides in Missouri, brought them back here and sold them for what he paid after a year or two and he did that several times. It's the real meaning of "Ride Free".Silly people who can't take the time to shop around and buy on impulse get what they deserve.---the nother viewer--------------bjay comments------------ say AV, above you say ''he'' totally missed where you said you had a Road King for several years. Were you referring to me, in our discussion? I acknowledged that you said you bought a Harley and got a good deal, etc. I thought that was good??Let me ask, what does ''height'' of the fecualtors mean??????? (above?) Feculator: fe-cue-lay-tor : Someone who buys a Harley Davidson for "investment" instead of to ride the shit out of because he enjoys it. Someone who buys a HD at $6000 more than it's worth and will tell everyone that it will be worth that someday. Someone who buys a HD for $6000 more than it's worth and tries to sell it to others for $8000 more than it's worth...because he believes no one is as smart as he is (read: because he believes everyone is as stupid as he is).
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