1995 XT600E; pre-fires at low RPMs; any ideas?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by John Hermann, May 8, 2008.

  1. John Hermann

    John Hermann Guest

    Hi,

    I have a 1995 XT600E that I just got running, and I don't
    know it's history. The bike seems to run well and smooth
    at high RPMs, but at lower RPMs and at idle, it will pre-fire
    back into the carbs; sometimes the engine will die as a
    result. I either have an ignition problem or a carb
    problem; which would be more likely for this bike?
    The carbs were pulled and cleaned, but I could not
    remove the float pin, so I was not able to properly
    clean the float needle or seat. I just sprayed carb
    cleaner as best I could though the float seat via the
    fuel inlet pipe. I don't believe the ignition module
    is the problem because I cleaned the air filter using
    the spray carb cleaner, and installed it still damp
    with the cleaner; the bike ran and idled perfectly until
    the filter dried out. If it is the carb, is there any
    gas additive that I could use that would help to clean
    out whatever is causing this problem? I do not want
    to remove the carbs again unless absoultely necessary;
    it's a real hassle.

    Thanks for any help.
     
    John Hermann, May 8, 2008
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  2. John Hermann

    . Guest

    It sounds like lean idle mixture or an inlet valve that isn't closing
    fully. Check your valve clearances to make sure it has the minimum
    clearance and check the compression to be sure you aren't getting
    reverse airflow at low RPM.

    An excellent carburetor cleaner is Berryman B12 Choke and Carb
    Cleaner. You can get it from Wal*Mart or any good auto parts store in
    either liquid or aerosol form

    The solvents in B12 are strong enough to quickly clean out gum and
    varnish, but they won't touch calcium carbonate deposits from water
    that got into your gas and plugged up the tiny
    orifices and passageways in your carbs.
     
    ., May 9, 2008
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  3. John Hermann

    John Hermann Guest

    Thank you for your help. I have a service manual for the bike,
    but it isn't clear on what to set the pilot screw at (number of
    turns out). I have tired everything from 0.5 to 2.5 turns, but
    it doesn't seem to make much difference. Does anybody know what
    a 1995 XT600E pilot screw setting is suppose to be? The manual
    lists a 3UX carb as 2.5 turns out; but my carbs are marked 3UY
    which is not listed in the manual. So if I have a lean condition,
    does that means I need to turn 'in' or 'out' the pilot screw?

    Thanks Again!

    It sounds like lean idle mixture or an inlet valve that isn't closing
    fully. Check your valve clearances to make sure it has the minimum
    clearance and check the compression to be sure you aren't getting
    reverse airflow at low RPM.

    An excellent carburetor cleaner is Berryman B12 Choke and Carb
    Cleaner. You can get it from Wal*Mart or any good auto parts store in
    either liquid or aerosol form

    The solvents in B12 are strong enough to quickly clean out gum and
    varnish, but they won't touch calcium carbonate deposits from water
    that got into your gas and plugged up the tiny
    orifices and passageways in your carbs.
     
    John Hermann, May 9, 2008
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  4. John Hermann

    Ron Seiden Guest

    Timing over-advanced?...
     
    Ron Seiden, May 9, 2008
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  5. Which carb are you fiddling with? The XT600E has two, you know, and
    fiddling with them is not advisable unless you really know what the
    function of each carb is.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 9, 2008
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  6. John Hermann

    . Guest

    It get the impression that you have California carburetors from the
    parts diagrams at http://www.powersportspro.com.

    The carbs shown have GAS screws, you turn them counterclockwise to
    richen the idle mixture.

    If you don't get any response from turning the screws, that indicates
    the idle mixture passages and ports are clogged up.
     
    ., May 9, 2008
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  7. It wouldn't hurt to check compression as well. You might
    want to do this before you start trying to adjust anything.

    Pull and ground the plugs.

    Open the throttle.

    crank the engine and compare compression for each
    cylinder.

    Always good to do full diagnostics before adjustments.
    If a cylinder isn't quite right, you can drive yourself
    crazy trying to adjust the carbs to fix the problem.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, May 10, 2008
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