I might quiz the VCF FOAK. A fair few of them are also (Hinckley) Triumph enthusiasts so may know the answer. I wonder if it is possible to register a home brewed special in France via something akin to our MSVA system, and if so do they just rely on documentation to prove engine power? Every chance, as so much else to do with rules seems to be a case of just waving the correct 'papiers'. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: | | Voxan Roadster Moto Guzzi Mille GT/Squire RS3 Gilera Nordwest | | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
I'd say it does cover imports too, because to get the "certificate des mines" before you can register the bike, the above article will come into effect.
Cab, if you've actually investigated this more than I have, then please feel free to say so and correct me, but I've said elsewhere that I don't think you need to get the aforementioned certificate unless it's a non-french homologated vehicle. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` `
I've just come off the blower to the sous-prefecture at home, as I saw your point, but wasn't sure. I'm waiting for an email confirmation and apparently it'll contain a URL. I'll post this when I get it. I've asked the question in respect to the 106BHP limit. The reply was, that a bike that's over 106BHP imported into France will require the certificate as it is, in effect, a non-french homologated vehicle (even if it is sold here as a restricted bike.) Believe me, I've been investigating many avenues to get a full power bike over here. So far, none of these work. A recent suggestion on frm was to ask a French InsCo if they'll insure a British bike. I'll need to try this one out.
A good starting point for this plan might be the lot that have set up Resposibilite Civile cover for my UK registered bike during the track days I am doing next month. http://www.grassavoye.com I can even give you the email of a v. efficient sounding mademoiselle there if you want. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: | | Voxan Roadster Moto Guzzi Mille GT/Squire RS3 Gilera Nordwest | | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Not for 99% of new bikes that produce a claimed >106bhp.... They're all injected. Or, rather, fuel metered, to be slightly more precise. Dave
I thoought so - maps and possible exhaust restrictions, but I read somewhere (possibly The Weekly Liar and, therefore, a lie) that current French regs require stricter interpretation of the restrictions regs, such as different cams, different throttle bodies etc so deristriction isn't too easy.... Dave
Nothing to somebody with sources of full power cams, control gear and TBs in the UK. A day in the lockup and wahey. I can't imagine there's no Frogs running around on de-restricted ones. Any idea of the penalties if sussed?
I'd guess that most of the modern 600cc+ sportsbikes you see round these parts (which isn't that many, but there are some) have been derestricted. Well invalid insurance for starters.... It's harsh if you're caught, according to a bloke I spoke to at the French GP last year. But then that's why our bikes are UK reg'd and insured MoTd etc - its easier to claim the bike's only been here for <20days (to the Gendarmes/UK insco in case of pull/accident/theft) than it is to get pulled on a 'proper' French bike and try to explain why it's not legal *here*... Dave
Dunno, but the VCF forum has several threads concerning a 130 CV kit. Perhaps it can only be *legally* fitted to bikes exported out of France (yes they do actually - Germany, Netherlands, Spain...). Trying to track down a post that actually confirms that someone has one fitted in France. As was suggested in this case it is a 'mapping' only job, but also using the bigger throttle bodies used on the > 2003 machines. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: | | Voxan Roadster Moto Guzzi Mille GT/Squire RS3 Gilera Nordwest | | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Don't kid yourself about that. The local plod will know all about you now and eventually have a word about your UK reg bike if you're staying in France full time. I did a similar thing when I moved here; just kept on UK insurance and MoT as far as possible - MoT was a bit difficult- but the local plod knew I was taking the piss and had a word. Not a problem, just a slight tugette. To be fair, 5 years had elapsed...
11 months, no tugs and they know us, but don't seem concerned in the slightest... The again, I *do* slow down well inadvance of the usual random check points and keep in a high gear as I go past ... And the Daytona's been recorded at 112bhp ( (( ) so it ain't exactly well over the limit anyway... The R6 may be a claimed 120, but it's 99.7 *after* a bit of dyno work... Dave
I rented a gite a few years back where the ex-pat brit who owned it lived next door. He was seriously in to ACs. Two 428s in the barn (bit of a dealer apparently) which he told me he had no intention of reregistering and permanently exporting from the UK. Looking at the possibility of a sub 250 enduro/trail bike to keep in France and do a bit of gentle exploring of the miles of forest roads around us, but I will probably opt for picking up one locally. As a non resident that may be an interesting exercise. I have been told, however, that so long as I have a local address and get it from a dealer who can sort out the insurance at the same time it shouldn't be too much hassle. Apparently the Voxan 130 CV kit is strictly for competition use and you have to show a racing licence to get one. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: | | Voxan Roadster Moto Guzzi Mille GT/Squire RS3 Gilera Nordwest | | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Invalidated insurance at the very least. Which can be a bummer after an accident where they decide to check the bike out. They'll probably not do this for minor prangs, but major ones, I'd expect so. Will very likely confiscate the bike. Big fine and big points. But lots of people do it. I CBA with the hassle. As I've said before, in the past I'd have done it, but I can't afford to play silly buggers now.
All I have got from the VCF FOAK so far is to talk to your local DRIRE. As the Ile de France also cover homologation nationally you should get a definitive answer, although be prepared for a lot of 'pas moi'! http://www.ile-de-france.drire.gouv.fr/ -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: | | Voxan Roadster Moto Guzzi Mille GT/Squire RS3 Gilera Nordwest | | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
