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It certainly is not!

 

They reckon that for every euro paid into the pot that they recieved
6 back 5 years ago
Snip

 

The figures I've seen are 200 billion euros transferred to the EU as
fish and 40 billion transferred to Ireland as money.

Actually, Irish financiers did operate outside Irish law, weak as that
is: the false accounting at Anglo Irish bank, the operation of large
scale tax frauds by every bank and the outright theft from customers
would be the obvious examples. No prosecutions of course and those
crooks are now saying that the rest of us should pay for it.

They chose to, because they (politicians, economists, business
`leaders') chose, self-servingly, to propagate the lies about
trickle-down and `wealth creation'.

Germany didn't, and doesn't, believe in the crap about deregulation
and `wealth creators' that the English-speaking world has to put up
with.

Realistically, no. Remember that Ireland has been, in many ways, a
failed state since independence. There were good reasons for that for
a long time, but by the early 90s, there was no excuse. For people who
go through it, the education system is very good (certainly better
than England's) and, until recently, it was culturally and socially
sound. The problem is that the Irish recession is not happening in a
country which was doing well and then hit a bad spot: this is
basically a return to the 80s which were bad, but not that much worse
than the previous decades. The big question is whether not emigration
kicks off again. In the past, it was the safety valve which kept
things quiet, but so many young people are stuck with mortgages that
are too high on houses they can't sell that emigration might not be an
option. That means unemployment will be even worse than in the 80s.

As for the UK, it's a self-satisfied second rate economy with a
mediocre class system that thinks throwing money at bankers is a
substitute for investment in productive industry, but it has a culture
of public service (NHS etc) which means that it might be able to
recover and turn into a grown up country rather than a weeping crone
nostalgic for world domination. Frankly, I'd rather be here.

 

Typo: should have read `but *not* to those from the rest of the UK'.

 

No they're not, unless they satisfy residency requirements (usually
three year minimum period for some reason other than to receive
education).

 

That includes residency in other EU , EEA countries or Switerland in
the prevous 3 years from the infomation i have infront of me

 

Below is a copy of the infomation supplied to my eldest



Home rates
Home rates typically range from £1,100 (or nothing if you meet the
necessary earning requirements or get a bursary) to £3,500 - this was
increased from £1,100 in 2006, and are known as top-up fees.

To find out the exact fees for a course you wish to apply to you will
need to contact the university directly, often you can find fees on
the university’s website.

Will I pay the Home Rate or Overseas Rate?
There are actually 10 categories that you can fall in to in order to
be eligible to pay the home rate fees for a UK university. These are
as follows:

•1) Students settled in the UK who are residents.
Under this you must meet all of the following:

•You must be settled in the UK on the first day of the first year of
the academic course.
•You must be ordinarily resident of the UK on the first day of the
first year of the academic course and you must have been so for the 3
years up until this point.
•The main purpose of your residence must NOT have been to receive
full time education during any part of that three year period.
•2) Those who are settled in the UK and have exercised a right of
residence in the EEA and/or switzerland
Under this you must meet all of the following:

•You have settled in the UK
•You have left the UK and have exercised a right of residence having
been settled in the UK a
•You must be ordinarily resident of the UK on the first day of the
first year of the academic course
•You have been ordinarily resident in the EEA and / or Switzerland
and / or the overseas territories for the 3 years proceeding the
first day of the first year of the academic course
•3) European Union (EU) nationals and their family members
Under this you must meet all of the following:

•on the ‘first day of an academic year of your course’, you must be a
national of an EU country (see notes below) or or as a student; or
the 'relevant family member' of a UK national;the 'relevant family
member' of a non-UK EU national who is in the UK as a self sufficient
person
•you must have been ordinarily resident in the European Economic Area
(EEA) and/or Switzerland and/or the overseas territories for the
three years before the 'first day of the first academic year of the
course'
•the main purpose of your residence in the EEA/Switzerland (or the
overseas territories if applicable) must not have been to receive
full-time education during any part of the three-year period.

 

Those requirements apply if you want a student loan. You cannot get a
*grant* unless you are studying in Wales or your course started before
September 2006 in England or NI.

 

han it gained from EU transfers.

And surely also a sympathetic tax regime and also good euro-financed
incentives for non-European companies to place their European operations
in Ireland (e.g. Dell IIRC)

 

In which case we should sack all of the foreign fuckers who are
lecturing in our great export industry.

 

Irish boats have doubled their catch since joining the EU. They have
also increased their percentage catch of fish caught in Irish waters.
They have bucked a trend of falling EU fleets by growing in numbers by
over 10%. I just checked and since 2000 the Irish fish industry has
received E65b in aid and over 70% of the catch is sold into the EU so is
tarrif free.

It should be obvious as soon as you look at that E200b number that
something is up with the numbers anti types bandy around. There aren't
that many fish! The total catch in Irish waters was E9b over 10 years.

So look at the subsidy and aid figures against the fish catch, and the
fish caught in non Irish waters by Irish boats, and see that the EU has
literally maintained every Irish fish industry worker.

 

If fraud and theft ocurred then the Gardai should have investigated. If
it is public domain how could they not.

Economists too to believing in "Models" over practical experience and
common sense. I believe they have started to realise the mistakes. As
for trickle down, no that's bollocks. Companies need to have a min-max
wage balance imposed and for there to be common relative benefits for
all grades in terms of Contracts and Pensions. Just for a start.

Where are they going to go. The UK and US employment figures are
dismal. Chinese wages are worth SFA in Euro terms. I think it's just a
long hard road ahead with unemployment figures of 10-15% here and in the
US, with the trend being up.

I just checked and unemployment for black males in the US is already
over 15% and rising (though only 7% for Asians).

Aint that the truth, and the scale on which it just happened and how
easy it was to push through tell me it won't ever change.

I think unemployment will rise a lot more. Overall Tax take will rise
and so the "real" economy will shrink further. Society will erode a
further significant degree. But yes it will remain a lot better than
many places.

 

Forty three posts so far today! Absolutely.

 

Haha you made me laugh out loud you old Gimmer.

We could refloat the economy by exporting electricity generated using
Hot Air

 

Not any more

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technolo
gy/article5472924.ece

 

And then watch it collapse.

 

A huge amount of the boom wasn't R&D or specialties though, it was
helpdesks, parts assembly and the like, using large numbers of
semi-skilled English speaking staff, and exploiting the favourable
Euro exchange rate and preferential tax perks.

You just have to look at all the big tech companies that pulled the
plug once the Euro climbed, and they got more for the Rupee and the
Zloty.

 

Because Ireland doesn't work like that. An Oireachtas investigation
identified the banks (all of them) which ran large tax evasion schemes.
Nobody has been prosecuted, neither the bankers who did it, nor the
customers who profitted.

They'll go, if they go, to Germany or France or wherever there is
work. Unemployment will be high, the question is whether or not
emigration will help to keep it down.

We're talking about the Irish, not the swarthiest people on earth.

 

Saboteur and industrial spy, eh?

 

Eleven of the forty three academics in my department are from outside
the UK. You would be in real trouble if we all left.