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Even nicer. Rule 1 applired impeccably.

 

Guernsey is still a nice place to live .

 

You would have been aware of this before you decided to settle here

Considering the birth of the industrial revolution started here i
think that gives it some credence

 

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Oh, yeah.

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I can't agree with you there.
Ireland was only built up on the back of EU hand outs and therein lay its
demise.

It failed in any real way to become a manufacturing and export base or a
centre of intellectual property and R&D.
The sole success story on any scale was the financial sector and the fake
property boom built on the back of it. All the eggs in one basket and it got
dropped.
Agriculture and fishing are unfortunately fucked at an EU level so no rescue
there.

A governments primary purpose should be to create an ethical pro business
low tax economy. But a distributed economy. You have to trade, and trade on
the world stage or there will be no revenue flow to support social
wellbeing. Once you have the tax income flow and have made it sustainable
THEN you can spend it. Anything else is like trying to create a Perpetual
Motion Machine.

But I don't think the need for and content of an ethical framework is
something we would disagree on.

 

Yes yes but that was centuries ago and like all great empires it turned in
on itself and fed on its own guts. So leave the carcass be.

GB still has the hidden wealth to recover but it does not have the leaders
or political system to do so and therefor will not. I have no doubt at all
about this. If you want to live in a righ successful predominantly WASP
nation go learn German.

Possibly Russian but I fear they will squander the wealth of natural
resources and then eventually collapse again.

Personally I suggest just retiring somewhere simple and sunny with nice
beaches and pretty girls.

 

That is offset by the costs of chasing the 'students' from non EU
countries that overstay and have to be deported and the loss in
revenue from EU students that recieve student loans , grants ,
maintainance allowance etc who generally do return home but never
repay the student loan company and are rarely chased up as there is
no mechanism in place to collect the money .

Thats why i said originally that any foriegn student should pay fully
for the course and supply a bond

 

So what will `this great nation [sic]' do without the foreign workers
who currently keep it going?

Do you mean that the birth of the industrial revolution happened here
or that the industrial revolution started here? Either way, let's have
a little look at what you claim:

`this great nation' is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland, made up of, officially, four nations, in short
a multi-national federal state;

the `nation' where the `birth of the industrial revolution started'
was, strictu sensu, a different country, England (and Wales) or
Great Britain (no Ireland) or the United Kingdom, depending on when
you place the date of the start of the industrial revolution;

the steam engine (which you seem to be confusing with the
`industrial revolution') was probably a French invention (Denis
Papin). If we do not make the schoolboy error of confusing `steam
power' with `industrialization', we find that the `industrial
revolution' began with the use of water power for mechanization,
which happened in England and Northern Europe more or less at the
same time;

the `industrial revolution' was largely driven in its early stages
by mechanization in the textile industry (c.f. the Huguenot
immigrants) and in its later stages by the development of civil
engineering and transport technology (c.f. the French immigrant
Brunel).

Now run along and do your homework.

 

ITYWF that non EU students who come here at considerable expense and qualify
appropriately couldn't be kept here with strong chains. There is no chasing
them to leave.

EU students, well I expect there is a carousel across the richer members.
Did you know that in Scotland, a nation with incredibly incompetent
government, created free university for its citizens then realized that
under EU regs it had to be free for any EU student gaining a place. So a
bankrupt nation which survives on English and EU handouts now has to pay for
English. Norn Oirish and other EU nation students to get a free education.
My nephew from NI just scored a place reading Medicine in Edinburgh for this
very reason.

 

Not actually true: Ireland lost more by giving up its fishing rights
than it gained from EU transfers.

That's half-true: there was no indigenous industrial development but
part of the reason for the `boom' was that Ireland had a large number
of highly trained engineers and technicians, either in the country or
abroad and ready to return (an Irish engineering degree is of a higher
standard than a UK one). That provided a supply of highly skilled
labour for the likes of Intel.

The financial sector was not a success: it was driven by fraud,
corruption and incompetence. In a civilized country, the board of
every major Irish bank would have been prosecuted by now (admittedly,
this also holds for the UK).

See above.

That's the problem: Ireland had a chance to become a decent modern
society and made a deliberate decision to piss it all away. The same
criminals who ripped the place off in the 70s and 80s are still
sitting pretty and the rest are screwed. Now there is nothing left but
a lot of half-finished houses.

 

EU (non UK) students don't receive grants or maintenance allowance as
these are administered by local authorities. As for the cost of
chasing `students' from non EU countries, do you have any evidence at
all for your claim that the cost of chasing them is more than the money
brought in?

 

Actually, it doesn't. It has to give a free education to students from
other EU countries but to those from the rest of the UK. Does your NI
nephew now have an Irish passport?

 

Plus low taxation for companies which encouraged in the short term
many multi-nationals to set up a base thier .

As new countries have joined the EU they have realised that following
Irelands path with a few modifications will give them a boost .

Bulgaria offers grants to set up manufactering plants , no
corperation tax if your a foriegn company investing into Bulgaria as
long as the funds stay in the country a low wage low cost workforce

Thats one of the problems with the EU once countries recieve large
handouts and the economy becomes reliant on these then its political
suicide to try and change the structure so no government wants to try

Irelands realised that now having to slash its state costs and
increase tax take , Bulgaria is in a similar position if it wasnt in
the euro the country would be bankrupt , i'm pretty sure Ireland
would be in a similar position so are many other countries who are
net recipients of EU state funding

 

Which is it?
I expect he has both.

 

I can speak German

Agreed

 

One of the best Universities in the world for medicine i believe

Scotland doesnt cover those costs , the UK as a whole does through
funding to Scotland

 

Yes they do once resident in the UK as EU citizens they are entitled
to the same funding as English,Welsh and Northern Irish students .



As for the cost of

 

Can't agree, fishing was never that big!! They make a huuuge amount out of
EU funding by 100 different routes. I don't believe the total can even be

For a country to be truly successful long term the business needs to be
driven by industrialists with a sense of nationalism and philanthropy. I'm
pretty convinced. So that's not people who only have an interest in making
money wherever production is cheapest. And as companies become entities of
executive boards and international shareholder all national interest and
loyalty goes out of the window and the far east mops up the work (for now).

It was a huge financial success in terms of tax revenue though and in terms
of creating some 16000 well paid jobs in Dublin. But as for the governance,
well it is as the govmint of the day decides. I don't think Irish financiers
operate mainly outside Irish law. You can argue the governance was
completely miscalculated, as in the UK, and I will not disagree with you.
But the financiers buy the political system and so inevitably....!

Yes it had the opportunity but like the UK it didn't have the characters,
the intellect and the governmental process to make it happen. Actually I
think the Irish govmint had much more potential than the more deeply
entrenched UK system but they seem to have failed anyway.

When you think of the things that need to come together, the people that
need to emerge and the stuff that has to happen to create a truly successful
industrial economy on the world stage so the success of Western Germany post
WWII is remarkable. Much more so to me than the success of the USA. I don't
pretend to know the half of how it happened but there are a few key things
that are evident to me that the UK and RoI could have mimicked.

I've said I believe the UK is unable and unwilling to pick itself up, do you
think the same of the RoI?

 

Papins invention was more akin to a presure cooker Savery patented
the first steam engine 1698 you seem to forget about Newcomen , Watt
Trevithick

You could go back further if yo wish Branca or even Hero .

.. If we do not make the schoolboy error of confusing `steam

Now run along and do our research

 

I think both governments realised that if prosecutions were brought
they too would be implicated and the ensueing financial crash would
have been far worse than either country has experienced as other
bankers and investors left in droves

Same throughout the EU as a whole